1 00:01:07,660 --> 00:00:40,380 [Music] 2 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:10,460 and good morning from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:13,110 here and James coming here from 4 00:01:18,820 --> 00:01:16,470 Westchester New York and Burke's from 5 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:18,830 Eureka California 6 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:25,850 so today today dr. Joseph Burke's 7 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:29,850 and I'm hoping to introduce dr. Burke 8 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:31,770 saw a lot of people in the UFO community 9 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:34,770 because dr. Burke's has done some 10 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:36,710 amazing work especially regarding 11 00:01:42,499 --> 00:01:39,690 contactees and and theories that are 12 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:42,509 involved in the contact experience dr. 13 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:45,030 Burke's obviously is a doctor but he 14 00:01:48,410 --> 00:01:46,200 also has a very interesting background 15 00:01:52,749 --> 00:01:48,420 in the peace and social justice 16 00:01:56,330 --> 00:01:52,759 movements dr. burst you want to just 17 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:56,340 give yourself a solid intro and and 18 00:02:02,120 --> 00:01:59,640 discuss some of your background in both 19 00:02:04,130 --> 00:02:02,130 the the beginning of how you got into 20 00:02:08,150 --> 00:02:04,140 contact and the contact work and the 21 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:08,160 contact movement and your work and the 22 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:10,340 peace and social justice movements sure 23 00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:14,070 first of all I'd like to thank Frank and 24 00:02:20,690 --> 00:02:16,470 James for inviting beyond UFO network 25 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:20,700 news and or the news network I should 26 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:23,430 say perhaps you Fon 27 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:26,510 it's a special pleasure for me because 28 00:02:34,820 --> 00:02:30,120 this is a radio show that's done by 29 00:02:38,390 --> 00:02:34,830 contact activists and in support of a 30 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:38,400 vast network of people who are willfully 31 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:40,950 going out engaging UFO intelligence in 32 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:43,650 the course of field work and other kinds 33 00:02:51,590 --> 00:02:48,480 of activities and so about myself I was 34 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:51,600 born and raised in Manhattan and then 35 00:02:58,580 --> 00:02:55,650 50s and 60s I was active in various 36 00:03:01,640 --> 00:02:58,590 peace and social justice movements the 37 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:01,650 way back in the nineteen 1962 the United 38 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:03,090 States and Russia when doing nuclear 39 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:07,410 testing and I was a little boy like tens 40 00:03:12,350 --> 00:03:08,850 of millions of children all over the 41 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:12,360 planet we're having exposures to 42 00:03:16,820 --> 00:03:14,400 radioactive materials that were from the 43 00:03:19,250 --> 00:03:16,830 testing of enormous hydrogen bomb 44 00:03:21,650 --> 00:03:19,260 so even at an early age because of the 45 00:03:25,070 --> 00:03:21,660 social activism in my family I was on 46 00:03:26,660 --> 00:03:25,080 the street saying ban the bum and end to 47 00:03:29,090 --> 00:03:26,670 atmospheric testing which was a 48 00:03:33,590 --> 00:03:29,100 successful struggle led primarily by 49 00:03:36,860 --> 00:03:33,600 women and in 1962 and 63 it was 50 00:03:39,230 --> 00:03:36,870 negotiated a nuclear test ban stopping 51 00:03:42,740 --> 00:03:39,240 the testing of hydrogen bombs in the 52 00:03:44,510 --> 00:03:42,750 atmosphere and reducing the risk of 53 00:03:46,610 --> 00:03:44,520 radioactive contamination to millions of 54 00:03:49,700 --> 00:03:46,620 children who were getting exposed to the 55 00:03:54,230 --> 00:03:49,710 radioactivity through with a milk in the 56 00:03:57,020 --> 00:03:54,240 food cycle so I was also active in the 57 00:03:59,420 --> 00:03:57,030 physicians anti-nuclear movement power 58 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:59,430 of American affiliate of the 59 00:04:02,660 --> 00:04:01,200 International physicians for the 60 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:02,670 Prevention of nuclear war that was the 61 00:04:08,570 --> 00:04:04,680 name of our organization American 62 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:08,580 affiliate was the emissions for Social 63 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:12,060 Responsibility PSR and I was active in a 64 00:04:18,050 --> 00:04:14,640 campaign liberating the public about the 65 00:04:19,820 --> 00:04:18,060 dangers of nuclear arms race and unsafe 66 00:04:24,260 --> 00:04:19,830 nuclear technologies in the civilian 67 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:24,270 sector as well so we as part of that 68 00:04:29,450 --> 00:04:26,580 international movement we were awarded 69 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:29,460 the Nobel Peace Prize for this 70 00:04:34,010 --> 00:04:32,250 international movement of doctors both 71 00:04:38,630 --> 00:04:34,020 on both sides of the Iron Curtain and 72 00:04:42,380 --> 00:04:38,640 former Eastern Soviet bloc and now also 73 00:04:44,330 --> 00:04:42,390 in the West we were informing the public 74 00:04:47,750 --> 00:04:44,340 about the dangers of nuclear war and 75 00:04:50,659 --> 00:04:47,760 meeting and with government officials to 76 00:04:52,820 --> 00:04:50,669 alert them that there was no cure for 77 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:52,830 nuclear war there was only prevention 78 00:04:58,340 --> 00:04:55,110 and we must prevent what we cannot cure 79 00:05:01,100 --> 00:04:58,350 so what was the social medicine program 80 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:01,110 made large we called ourselves citizen 81 00:05:06,110 --> 00:05:04,500 diplomats and we went to the so former 82 00:05:07,970 --> 00:05:06,120 Soviet Union I was there several times 83 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:07,980 and peace missions meeting with the 84 00:05:16,940 --> 00:05:11,360 Soviet doctors and so when I heard about 85 00:05:20,530 --> 00:05:16,950 dr. Steven Greer in 1992 at UFO Expo s 86 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:20,540 where I attended my first UFO meeting I 87 00:05:27,350 --> 00:05:24,930 saw this tall bearded doctor who shared 88 00:05:30,290 --> 00:05:27,360 the same vocation as I he we both were 89 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:30,300 working ER at the time emergency room 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:31,710 and he said he had a citizen's 91 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:34,530 diplomatic initiative not to the 92 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:38,640 Russians to prevent nuclear war but to 93 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:41,370 the intelligence behind the UFO 94 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:42,450 phenomena which he called 95 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:47,060 extraterrestrial and I signed up and 96 00:05:53,660 --> 00:05:49,760 attended one of the workshops he gave 97 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:53,670 and I saw my first UFO which was very 98 00:05:57,860 --> 00:05:56,280 exciting and I was reading on the 99 00:06:02,210 --> 00:05:57,870 subject for a year I was hooked I was 100 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:02,220 excited and I was delegated I was 101 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:05,280 designated I should say the working 102 00:06:09,530 --> 00:06:07,020 group coordinator for the Los Angeles 103 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:09,540 ce-5 that's Close Encounters of the 104 00:06:14,420 --> 00:06:12,060 fifth kind initiative human initiated 105 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:14,430 human empowered contact with what we 106 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:17,790 believed were extraterrestrials so 107 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:19,110 that's in a nutshell 108 00:06:24,470 --> 00:06:22,500 the story of my involvement I could go 109 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:24,480 into more detail about the civil rights 110 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:27,230 movement the desegregation 111 00:06:32,780 --> 00:06:30,360 demonstrations and boycotts and all 112 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:32,790 other activities I did in the 60s I also 113 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:35,460 worked with trade unionists to make the 114 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:39,510 workplace a better place by working on 115 00:06:44,090 --> 00:06:41,130 the issue of occupational health and 116 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:44,100 safety so I have a long history of peace 117 00:06:50,830 --> 00:06:46,470 and social justice movement activities 118 00:06:56,090 --> 00:06:50,840 like trade unions peace civil rights 119 00:06:58,370 --> 00:06:56,100 environment and anti-nuclear so yes I 120 00:07:00,680 --> 00:06:58,380 guess in a nutshell something up about 121 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:00,690 thirty years of contact activism I 122 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:03,240 should say 40 years of political 123 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:06,270 activism and 25 years of contact 124 00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:09,840 activism so dr. Joe let's why don't we 125 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:12,000 get into the beginning years of cset II 126 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:13,440 and when you were involved in the 127 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:15,330 fieldwork and and your own working group 128 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:19,500 and also your you know upon doing that 129 00:07:26,750 --> 00:07:22,080 your discovery of prime contactees and 130 00:07:29,590 --> 00:07:26,760 their role in the contact movement right 131 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:29,600 first of all I'd like to say that Oh 132 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:32,870 having been part of what I would call 133 00:07:38,150 --> 00:07:36,690 fully developed social movements I'm 134 00:07:40,220 --> 00:07:38,160 talking to the civil rights movement 135 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:40,230 when millions of people are involved the 136 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:43,139 anti-vietnam war that 137 00:07:48,469 --> 00:07:46,409 mobilized the whole country on every 138 00:07:51,170 --> 00:07:48,479 part to demonstrate approach as the war 139 00:07:54,409 --> 00:07:51,180 that was a social movement what I think 140 00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:54,419 we have now is something that's you 141 00:07:59,360 --> 00:07:56,639 might call a proto movement sort of like 142 00:08:00,080 --> 00:07:59,370 for people who remember their biology in 143 00:08:03,409 --> 00:08:00,090 high school 144 00:08:05,779 --> 00:08:03,419 protoplasm is what exists in the cell 145 00:08:08,209 --> 00:08:05,789 separate from the nucleus and it allows 146 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:08,219 the existence of life well the word 147 00:08:14,689 --> 00:08:11,750 proto prefix something that is 148 00:08:17,149 --> 00:08:14,699 developing it has the potential so we 149 00:08:22,459 --> 00:08:17,159 are not a social movement at this point 150 00:08:24,219 --> 00:08:22,469 contact actors form a network and we're 151 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:24,229 in what I imagine is the 152 00:08:29,719 --> 00:08:28,110 consciousness-raising phase when 153 00:08:32,540 --> 00:08:29,729 sufficient numbers of people who are 154 00:08:34,519 --> 00:08:32,550 having contact experiences and then 155 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:34,529 willfully going out and engaging the 156 00:08:42,319 --> 00:08:37,110 phenomena when this becomes worldwide 157 00:08:44,060 --> 00:08:42,329 movement that is organized both at the 158 00:08:45,620 --> 00:08:44,070 grassroots and with national 159 00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:45,630 international organizations that would 160 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:48,300 be a true social movement so I think 161 00:08:53,180 --> 00:08:49,890 we're a network now of a contact 162 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:53,190 activist in terms of the beat that the 163 00:09:00,259 --> 00:08:56,880 early days what can I say except it was 164 00:09:03,079 --> 00:09:00,269 a very exciting endeavor along with 165 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:03,089 helping my wife raise children back in 166 00:09:09,889 --> 00:09:06,600 the 90s they're still growing up to 167 00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:09,899 teenagers and as alongside my work as a 168 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:11,220 physician I'm an internal medicine 169 00:09:17,329 --> 00:09:13,050 physician but I also worked many years 170 00:09:19,490 --> 00:09:17,339 in the EPR emergency room along with 171 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:19,500 those two activities being in the 172 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:22,740 contact network was one of the three 173 00:09:28,970 --> 00:09:24,890 most exciting endeavors of my life 174 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:28,980 because we were actually going out into 175 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:31,890 the field following a protocol that was 176 00:09:37,340 --> 00:09:33,930 designed by dr. Steven Greer and his 177 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:37,350 assistant sherry adamak and we were 178 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:40,529 using a protocol thought projection and 179 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:43,050 other techniques to interact with the 180 00:09:47,090 --> 00:09:44,760 intelligence behind the phenomenon 181 00:09:49,579 --> 00:09:47,100 because they would actually show up for 182 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:49,589 us when we were in the field and we 183 00:09:53,329 --> 00:09:51,060 would have limited interactions 184 00:09:56,340 --> 00:09:53,339 sometimes signaling with lights was also 185 00:10:00,290 --> 00:09:56,350 telepathic communication and 186 00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:00,300 I was doing this work for about a year 187 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:04,540 when in the emergency room a young EKG 188 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:06,850 tech who emigrated from the former 189 00:10:10,590 --> 00:10:08,950 Soviet Union I'm gonna call him Mischa 190 00:10:14,670 --> 00:10:10,600 that's not his real name it's a 191 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:14,680 pseudonym and a young EKG tech who have 192 00:10:22,530 --> 00:10:17,950 been working for about a year told me 193 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:22,540 who I was who he was he said that he was 194 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:24,870 a high-level contact D it had many 195 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:27,910 sightings and what he remembered as an 196 00:10:33,980 --> 00:10:31,450 onboard experience as well and he was 197 00:10:40,350 --> 00:10:33,990 interested in joining our contact team 198 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:40,360 and I asked him what was his interest 199 00:10:45,510 --> 00:10:42,850 how he got involved and he said that 200 00:10:47,130 --> 00:10:45,520 before he had emigrated to the United 201 00:10:50,330 --> 00:10:47,140 States back and this is we're going back 202 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:50,340 now nineteen eight ninety one ninety two 203 00:10:56,850 --> 00:10:53,080 before he had emigrated he had had a 204 00:11:00,390 --> 00:10:56,860 very vivid dream in which he saw himself 205 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:00,400 traveling to the United States getting a 206 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:02,890 job in a health care setting working 207 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:08,760 with a tall bearded Jewish doctor who 208 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:11,230 was working in the emergency room and 209 00:11:15,390 --> 00:11:14,050 with whom he would do contact work and 210 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:15,400 he told me that when he came to the 211 00:11:20,610 --> 00:11:19,060 emergency room a year before he revealed 212 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:20,620 who he was and he's just working there 213 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:23,290 as EKG tech dose was studying to become 214 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:28,000 an RN registered nurse he saw me in the 215 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:32,230 ER and I was the man of the dream which 216 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:34,690 it was kind of well it's quite an 217 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:37,750 impressive story of true and I should 218 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:40,000 say that as the medical student a 219 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:42,700 pre-medical student young dr. Burks I'd 220 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:44,290 always wanted to be the man of the 221 00:11:48,030 --> 00:11:46,450 dreams of perhaps beautiful nurse or 222 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:48,040 before I got married 223 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:52,710 co-ed when it was an undergraduate and I 224 00:11:58,020 --> 00:11:54,850 didn't expect to be the man of the 225 00:12:00,240 --> 00:11:58,030 dreams of a Russian contact D it was 226 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:00,250 working in my emergency room so I wanna 227 00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:05,290 see sort of irony there so I asked I 228 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:09,760 asked Misha I said well why why did you 229 00:12:14,190 --> 00:12:11,410 wait a year you've been working here for 230 00:12:15,710 --> 00:12:14,200 a year and before we revealed who you 231 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:15,720 were I was going out in the field 232 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:18,130 developing my confidence as a team 233 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:21,130 leader and having you know certain 234 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:23,050 exciting experiences in terms of 235 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:26,350 fieldwork but why did he wait a year and 236 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:28,500 he said because you weren't ready yet 237 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:30,430 and that was sort of a chilling 238 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:33,700 statement because it immediately alerted 239 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:37,300 to me the possibility that he as many 240 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:40,870 other high-level contactees are were in 241 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:43,300 direct telepathic communication with the 242 00:12:49,410 --> 00:12:45,910 intelligence behind the phenomenon and I 243 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:49,420 realizes his importance when we went out 244 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:50,890 into the fields for the first time 245 00:12:58,680 --> 00:12:53,490 together and six other investigators in 246 00:13:01,800 --> 00:12:58,690 October of 1993 and I had my first 247 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:01,810 telepathic override in which I was 248 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:07,290 alerted via communication that's 249 00:13:12,270 --> 00:13:10,630 extrasensory perception that a UFO was 250 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:12,280 going to show up for our team out in the 251 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:15,910 desert I had been meditating I got what 252 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:19,510 was called a contact download and it 253 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:21,610 told me to am one craft 254 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:24,130 coming in from the Northwest and sure 255 00:13:31,710 --> 00:13:27,040 enough just as scheduled and were 256 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:31,720 predicted UFO showed up at 2 a.m. at 257 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:34,450 Joshua Tree in the Northwest black orb I 258 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:37,150 should see a red glowing orb and it was 259 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:39,310 moving at a tremendous speed no sound 260 00:13:47,450 --> 00:13:44,380 whatsoever so so the I realized that 261 00:13:50,130 --> 00:13:47,460 there are people who are out there 262 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:50,140 forming contact teams or participating 263 00:13:54,510 --> 00:13:51,790 contact teams who were very high level 264 00:13:59,400 --> 00:13:54,520 contact is dr. Steven Greer is another 265 00:14:01,320 --> 00:13:59,410 example and this is the concept of prime 266 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:01,330 contact he came to me when I realized 267 00:14:07,620 --> 00:14:04,690 there were certain features that they 268 00:14:09,510 --> 00:14:07,630 shared in common one of which was the 269 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:09,520 people who are designated as prime 270 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:11,110 contact East people who believe that 271 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:13,450 they're in contact or communication with 272 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:15,910 extraterrestrial intelligence II presume 273 00:14:23,010 --> 00:14:20,100 to know of the intelligence behind UFO 274 00:14:25,620 --> 00:14:23,020 phenomena that these 275 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:25,630 people contact these prime contactees 276 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:28,810 are recruited by flying saucer 277 00:14:34,950 --> 00:14:31,630 intelligence a relatively early age for 278 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:34,960 with no apparent adult supervision they 279 00:14:39,690 --> 00:14:37,930 engage in meditation at a young age 280 00:14:43,140 --> 00:14:39,700 either as a teenager a young adult 281 00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:43,150 become very adept at meditation which 282 00:14:50,940 --> 00:14:46,780 facilitates telepathic communication and 283 00:14:54,050 --> 00:14:50,950 my opinion and they would also have the 284 00:14:58,530 --> 00:14:54,060 capacity to request UFO sightings and 285 00:14:59,850 --> 00:14:58,540 UFOs would appear and it's very 286 00:15:02,280 --> 00:14:59,860 important to note that this would happen 287 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:02,290 in the presence of others demonstrating 288 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:04,030 to other people that they had this 289 00:15:07,770 --> 00:15:05,440 special relationship with me or 290 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:07,780 intelligence and the prompt contact 291 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:13,410 these form groups and they are full of 292 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:17,070 shall we say idealistic messages of 293 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:18,730 wanting to reach out to the 294 00:15:23,570 --> 00:15:20,320 extraterrestrials on the basis of peace 295 00:15:26,370 --> 00:15:23,580 and cooperation and solidarity and so 296 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:26,380 that was by meeting people like Misha 297 00:15:30,450 --> 00:15:29,170 and then dr. Greer who founded the 298 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:30,460 Center for the Study of extraterrestrial 299 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:34,330 intelligence and initiated the Close 300 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:35,980 Encounters of the fifth kind initiative 301 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:37,690 in which I became a working the 302 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:41,200 coordinator for these individuals play a 303 00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:43,660 very important role but they're part of 304 00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:47,440 a spectrum of people who are in contact 305 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:49,680 and communication although they have 306 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:52,030 special skills that they've been brought 307 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:53,890 along with by their contact with the 308 00:16:01,680 --> 00:15:58,930 alleged et's they're providing 309 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:01,690 leadership but all contact experiences 310 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:04,090 who are joining our network have a very 311 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:07,390 important role to play and the sense of 312 00:16:14,820 --> 00:16:10,570 mission for peace and cooperation and 313 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:14,830 solidarity is something that we all in 314 00:16:19,530 --> 00:16:17,230 the network share and there it's an 315 00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:19,540 international movement or I used the 316 00:16:26,910 --> 00:16:21,040 word move and I said an international 317 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:26,920 effort and I met people in drama 318 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:29,080 who's the that's the Peruvian contact 319 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:31,810 network that was established in 1974 and 320 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:35,110 so I was able to meet with people from 321 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:36,370 all over the world by 322 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:40,630 I work with cset II as well as Rama the 323 00:16:45,750 --> 00:16:42,970 mission Rama the peruvian contact these 324 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:45,760 that were established around the 325 00:16:52,590 --> 00:16:48,810 leadership of six opus wells young 326 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:52,600 student in lima peru as well as many of 327 00:16:58,290 --> 00:16:56,020 his other activist supporters so i I did 328 00:17:01,440 --> 00:16:58,300 describe briefly with the prime contact 329 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:01,450 these are but there's much more to share 330 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:03,850 in terms of the initial activities of 331 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:06,010 our working groups that allowed me to 332 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:08,319 learn a tremendous amount about the 333 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:14,530 phenomena also arm you know in your in 334 00:17:19,770 --> 00:17:16,809 your all this work in the in the field 335 00:17:21,380 --> 00:17:19,780 and doing the contact work with Si Sethi 336 00:17:24,199 --> 00:17:21,390 and some of the rama members you also 337 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:24,209 came up with some interesting theories 338 00:17:33,390 --> 00:17:27,750 one was the the virtual reality 339 00:17:35,549 --> 00:17:33,400 hypothesis the experience where the UFO 340 00:17:38,430 --> 00:17:35,559 intelligence or presumably 341 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:38,440 extraterrestrials could create almost a 342 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:42,910 simulation that was almost like a 343 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:44,650 virtual reality experience 344 00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:47,890 do we want to talk about that we can get 345 00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:50,260 mm-hmm and then get maybe more into the 346 00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:53,620 fieldwork investigations later you're 347 00:17:57,330 --> 00:17:55,840 you're going right to the heart of the 348 00:18:00,780 --> 00:17:57,340 matter James I just want to say you're 349 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:00,790 not pulling any punches to explain on 350 00:18:06,510 --> 00:18:03,910 the radio some challenging concepts that 351 00:18:10,260 --> 00:18:06,520 have come to me through 25 years of 352 00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,270 contact work so often when I talk on 353 00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:12,640 radio and give public addresses I share 354 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:15,220 a lot of autobiographical material this 355 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:17,950 is this is a different type of situation 356 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:20,410 because I'm talking to contact activists 357 00:18:25,169 --> 00:18:22,690 you and Frank well quite a bit about the 358 00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:25,179 field and I do very much appreciate your 359 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,160 giving me the opportunity to get right 360 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:29,440 into some of these but I imagine our 361 00:18:36,810 --> 00:18:34,090 advanced concepts well I should say that 362 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:36,820 with Misha are now part of our team in 363 00:18:44,010 --> 00:18:40,330 1993 the level of contact that we 364 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:44,020 experienced went way up they prod 365 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:47,710 contact these when they're in close 366 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:50,050 communication with UFO encounters 367 00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:51,190 when you go out in the field with them 368 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:54,040 dr. Greer in the early days maybe less 369 00:19:00,240 --> 00:18:56,710 so in subsequent years but in the early 370 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:00,250 days dr. Greer was a focus of attention 371 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:03,130 of the UFO phenomena practically 372 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:05,020 wherever he went 373 00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:07,720 UFOs showed up I mean in his 374 00:19:12,570 --> 00:19:09,720 neighborhood in Asheville North Carolina 375 00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:12,580 when he was traveling to West Palm Beach 376 00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:15,430 right so my first UFO one of his 377 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:18,040 workshops in June of 1992 he traveled 378 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:20,470 around the country giving lectures UFOs 379 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:24,490 would show up and so it's not only the 380 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:26,970 protocols that the contactees are 381 00:19:33,540 --> 00:19:30,910 following that brings in the phenomenon 382 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:33,550 for interaction it's also mm-hmm very 383 00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:36,190 much the people that you're with and if 384 00:19:41,370 --> 00:19:37,960 you're with a group of experiencers who 385 00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,380 have had a long history of involvement 386 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:43,840 with a phenomena or with a prime contact 387 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:45,970 D who has a direct telepathic 388 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:47,530 communication and my judgment with the 389 00:19:53,010 --> 00:19:51,130 phenomena you are very likely to have a 390 00:19:54,810 --> 00:19:53,020 sighting and that's what we had when we 391 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:54,820 went out in the field with Misha 392 00:20:01,650 --> 00:19:57,490 practically every single time Golden 393 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:01,660 Globes red orbs we even had a couple of 394 00:20:08,190 --> 00:20:05,710 sightings of would look like disks all 395 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:08,200 these things are more likely to occur if 396 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:12,670 your team is united in terms of a sense 397 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:17,410 of cohesion personally in terms of the 398 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:20,050 goal of this mission for peace and 399 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:24,010 international solidarity but also with 400 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:26,370 the people who have had ongoing 401 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:29,080 interactions so I used to make a joke 402 00:20:34,170 --> 00:20:32,110 about the contact network you know they 403 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:34,180 say in Hollywood if you want to get 404 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:38,020 ahead it's not what you know in terms of 405 00:20:43,170 --> 00:20:40,450 being an artist or a rector it's who you 406 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:43,180 know in terms of a Hollywood hierarchy 407 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:46,420 and so the same applies in some ways to 408 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:49,570 the contact network you can read about 409 00:20:54,270 --> 00:20:51,550 the phenomena for years you can meditate 410 00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:54,280 and you can have the desire for 411 00:20:58,050 --> 00:20:56,230 sightings but having a high-level 412 00:21:00,990 --> 00:20:58,060 contact you being in a group where 413 00:21:02,610 --> 00:21:01,000 multiple experiences are increases the 414 00:21:04,019 --> 00:21:02,620 probability you're going to have 415 00:21:09,810 --> 00:21:04,029 sightings and other and 416 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:09,820 your actions so in 1993 I had with me 417 00:21:14,849 --> 00:21:13,450 Misha Goldman I'll call him and we work 418 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:14,859 together and there were many other 419 00:21:21,209 --> 00:21:16,450 people in our medical center who were 420 00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,219 part of the team and we are doing 421 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:23,679 fieldwork intensively oh I'm talking 422 00:21:29,009 --> 00:21:25,570 about going out initially for the first 423 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:29,019 year at least once a week and then in 424 00:21:35,009 --> 00:21:31,320 the subsequent years perhaps less often 425 00:21:38,609 --> 00:21:35,019 once or twice once or every two months 426 00:21:40,019 --> 00:21:38,619 we used Joshua Tree was that a national 427 00:21:44,099 --> 00:21:40,029 monument itself not only became a 428 00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,109 national park we used Joshua Joshua Tree 429 00:21:48,899 --> 00:21:46,960 which is the high desert outside of Los 430 00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:48,909 Angeles and Bernardino area 431 00:21:54,659 --> 00:21:51,940 it's a 4,000 foot elevation 432 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:54,669 it's a pristine high desert part where 433 00:22:00,389 --> 00:21:57,369 you're able to hike into the backcountry 434 00:22:03,659 --> 00:22:00,399 and this is one of the conditions of 435 00:22:06,239 --> 00:22:03,669 doing contact work it's true that UFOs 436 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:06,249 show up over cities also over military 437 00:22:14,219 --> 00:22:10,529 bases and nuclear power plants and also 438 00:22:16,469 --> 00:22:14,229 many contact experiences happen not in 439 00:22:19,259 --> 00:22:16,479 cities but in more remote locations 440 00:22:21,899 --> 00:22:19,269 people driving and having missing time 441 00:22:24,749 --> 00:22:21,909 or hiking out the wilderness so one of 442 00:22:28,259 --> 00:22:24,759 the conditions for having contact in 443 00:22:30,629 --> 00:22:28,269 this group process fieldwork situation 444 00:22:33,299 --> 00:22:30,639 is to go to remote locations and we 445 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:33,309 found ourselves in looking for remote 446 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:35,529 locations Southern California that can 447 00:22:40,619 --> 00:22:37,960 be a challenge because there's so many 448 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:40,629 people we're talking about 20 million 449 00:22:45,539 --> 00:22:43,330 people living in Southern California but 450 00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,549 we did find out a relatively secluded 451 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:47,919 area and met Joshua National Park and 452 00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:49,710 then we'd hike into the backcountry 453 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:53,320 which is quite an endeavor especially 454 00:22:58,349 --> 00:22:56,289 during the rainy season where flash 455 00:23:00,839 --> 00:22:58,359 floods occur in the high desert those 456 00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:00,849 sort of things so we have been doing 457 00:23:12,329 --> 00:23:03,940 contact for about together for a year 458 00:23:14,369 --> 00:23:12,339 and in 1994 it was just this time Misha 459 00:23:17,249 --> 00:23:14,379 and myself we didn't have the rest of 460 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:17,259 the team with us it was we at the base 461 00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:18,010 of 462 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:19,120 the queen mountain which is a 463 00:23:25,159 --> 00:23:21,910 spectacular mountain in Joshua Tree 464 00:23:27,390 --> 00:23:25,169 National Park now and it goes up about 465 00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:27,400 5,500 feet and we were at the base is 466 00:23:35,610 --> 00:23:29,860 about 4000 foot elevation in a pristine 467 00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:35,620 Valley and to the south was a hill that 468 00:23:42,690 --> 00:23:38,580 rose about 600 feet scald negra hill and 469 00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:42,700 i have noted that the previous month 470 00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:45,940 this is october 1994 when i was with a 471 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:49,150 team of seven out there i noticed some 472 00:23:53,789 --> 00:23:51,040 very anomalous you were I should say 473 00:23:59,030 --> 00:23:53,799 anomalous shooting stars now shooting 474 00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,040 stars are pieces of space junk rocks I 475 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:01,840 that enter the atmosphere and become 476 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:04,090 meteors they land there and called a 477 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:09,760 meteorites and they produce a little 478 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:13,210 shelf leading the visual display and I 479 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:18,970 noticed that in October of 1994 every 480 00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:21,280 time I turned to look at a different 481 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:23,320 section of the sky which is what you do 482 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:25,030 here in field were looking one section 483 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:26,290 of sky for a few minutes and then turn 484 00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:29,260 to another every time I turned to look 485 00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:30,940 at a different section of the sky I saw 486 00:24:36,419 --> 00:24:34,000 a shooting star it was as if there was a 487 00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:36,429 connection between me and the shooting 488 00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:39,640 stars which sounded really crazy and it 489 00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:44,070 happened five times in a row and I 490 00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:47,580 turned to my coworker a mission I said 491 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:51,400 did you did you have this experience 492 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:55,120 ever when you're looking at sky and 493 00:24:58,169 --> 00:24:56,710 during fieldwork and you look to in a 494 00:25:00,120 --> 00:24:58,179 different section of sky and as soon as 495 00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:00,130 you turn your head the shooting star 496 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:04,360 occurs he said yes I said I had it five 497 00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:06,850 times in a row and he said you want to 498 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:08,830 know how many times I've just had it 499 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:11,530 right here in the field I said what how 500 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:13,750 many times he said 25 times in the world 501 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:16,150 so I realized there was a consciousness 502 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:19,809 link between the our field investigators 503 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:22,450 and an intelligence that was able to 504 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:26,970 create a simulation of shooting stars 505 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:30,190 this became apparent the following month 506 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:31,610 this time when there was just 507 00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:35,230 the two of us out there November of 1994 508 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:37,940 and we were in this pristine Valley I 509 00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:39,970 called a little Queen Valley 510 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:42,830 operating at 4,000 feet it was cold 511 00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:47,450 it's a a high desert down into the 50s 512 00:25:52,779 --> 00:25:50,840 40s even the high 30s and we were in 513 00:25:54,609 --> 00:25:52,789 this secluded little Valley took us 514 00:25:58,090 --> 00:25:54,619 about an hour to hike up from the 515 00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,100 wilderness parking lot where we left our 516 00:26:03,249 --> 00:26:00,799 vehicle and I was looking in the 517 00:26:07,810 --> 00:26:03,259 direction of Negri Hill is six hundred 518 00:26:11,099 --> 00:26:07,820 foot prominence to the south facing the 519 00:26:15,489 --> 00:26:11,109 Queen mountain in the north and I heard 520 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:15,499 misha say oh there's another one and he 521 00:26:19,690 --> 00:26:17,570 was looking to the south towards Negri 522 00:26:22,690 --> 00:26:19,700 hit no and i said what are you talking 523 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:22,700 about he said look there's a you there's 524 00:26:29,889 --> 00:26:26,570 a shooting star and I looked and I saw 525 00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:29,899 nothing now my vision was pretty good 526 00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:31,820 back then I now wear glasses I didn't 527 00:26:38,049 --> 00:26:34,940 require glasses back in 1994 and I've 528 00:26:41,259 --> 00:26:38,059 been doing field work for a year with 529 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:41,269 the c5 Center for the Study of 530 00:26:47,739 --> 00:26:43,970 extraterrestrial intelligence and I 531 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:47,749 couldn't explain why I could not see 532 00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:50,690 what Misha was seeing this is shooting 533 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,320 stars and I said to him well these 534 00:26:58,749 --> 00:26:56,480 shooting stars the same or similar he 535 00:27:02,109 --> 00:26:58,759 said yes I said were they in the same 536 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,119 place yes where they had the same length 537 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:05,840 of trail absolutely same angle 538 00:27:09,609 --> 00:27:08,090 if you extend the angle of the shooting 539 00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:09,619 star down towards the horizon the same 540 00:27:14,349 --> 00:27:12,950 angle of approach exactly the same he 541 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:14,359 had seen three in a row 542 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,369 I was looking at the same section of sky 543 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:18,559 I had seen nothing and the ones he had 544 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:21,529 seen were stereotypic exactly the same 545 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:23,809 as if there was a projector it was a 546 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:26,989 video clip that was being repeated so I 547 00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:29,450 said okay ask them to show me what 548 00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:33,470 you've just seen and Misha said show dr. 549 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:33,919 Burks 550 00:27:39,639 --> 00:27:38,960 and immediately I saw a faint shooting 551 00:27:42,879 --> 00:27:39,649 star 552 00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:42,889 appear in the exact location where Misha 553 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:45,020 had indicated three others had appeared 554 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:48,410 well this is pretty remarkable there was 555 00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:50,809 evidence suggesting a telepathic link 556 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:53,780 with a anomalous visual display that 557 00:27:58,450 --> 00:27:55,510 appeared to be a shooting star 558 00:28:00,760 --> 00:27:58,460 so I said to me okay well that's good no 559 00:28:04,810 --> 00:28:00,770 ask them to show me again 560 00:28:08,530 --> 00:28:04,820 and he says shoujo and to my surprise 561 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:08,540 and my delight their art was in the same 562 00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:10,610 section of the sky above in every Hill a 563 00:28:18,910 --> 00:28:15,980 faint trail of a meteor a shooting star 564 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:18,920 it was exactly like the other one that I 565 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:22,610 had seen same length of trail same angle 566 00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,770 same brightness and color the duration 567 00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:26,960 of the sighting was fleeting a few 568 00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:30,230 seconds but most now my heart starts to 569 00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:32,270 beat because I'm realizing this is 570 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:34,700 important the intelligence behind the 571 00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:37,730 phenomena is indicating to us that not 572 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:39,470 only do they have telepathic 573 00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,170 communication but they can link our 574 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:45,200 thoughts and requests to an anomalous 575 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:47,570 visual display that we call shooting 576 00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:49,850 stars but clearly something else is 577 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:51,260 going on this is not a natural 578 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:54,830 phenomenon so my heart is beating 579 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:56,090 because I'm excited this is 580 00:29:01,720 --> 00:28:58,070 show-and-tell and I'm getting quite a 581 00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:01,730 show and I say tamesha 582 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:04,400 you know we have this thing called 583 00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:05,510 coincidence 584 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:08,870 and I I thank you very much wherever you 585 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:11,450 guys are out there showing me this too 586 00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:13,850 is very good two in a row and of course 587 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:17,420 for me it was five times in a row I said 588 00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:19,340 but you know people are gonna say dr. 589 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:21,320 Burks is a competent physician is an 590 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:22,850 emergency room he's got a responsible 591 00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:25,400 job but he's not an astronomer he's not 592 00:29:32,410 --> 00:29:30,830 a professional scientist amateur and he 593 00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:32,420 probably does too no he's just mistaken 594 00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,630 so two in a row was very good but could 595 00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:38,480 you show me one more time and there was 596 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:40,400 a pause was what you might call a 597 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:43,010 pregnant pause full of meaning it was 598 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,110 the other two sightings were immediately 599 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:47,840 after request show dr. Burks shoujo in a 600 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:50,630 fraction of a second they appeared it 601 00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:53,330 was just immediate but this time there 602 00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:55,640 was a pause like five seconds ten 603 00:30:03,039 --> 00:29:58,850 seconds as if to say don't you know who 604 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:03,049 we're doing this and again the 605 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:05,090 manifestation of a visual display a 606 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:07,549 shooting star that was exactly like the 607 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:09,490 two others well this is quite remarkable 608 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:12,769 and you could say that the UFO 609 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:18,169 intelligence was able to create a visual 610 00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,500 display by shooting a so we say a piece 611 00:30:29,169 --> 00:30:27,200 of space dust or rock or piece of ice 612 00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:29,179 from a spacecraft but how could they do 613 00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:31,549 it three of three times for me and six 614 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:35,000 times from Missha to have it appear in 615 00:30:41,769 --> 00:30:36,769 the exact same location it would be 616 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:41,779 quite a to do that coordination if they 617 00:30:47,399 --> 00:30:44,450 were way out in space the fact that 618 00:30:49,419 --> 00:30:47,409 Misha was able to see it and I could not 619 00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:49,429 suggest it to me that there was some 620 00:30:54,369 --> 00:30:52,220 kind of illusion going on and then on 621 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:54,379 and this is a very powerful piece of 622 00:30:58,619 --> 00:30:56,330 information because in the UFO 623 00:31:01,389 --> 00:30:58,629 literature we have countless 624 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:01,399 descriptions of people who doing 625 00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,590 fieldwork or looking at the sky and one 626 00:31:07,389 --> 00:31:05,600 person is seeing you know quite a bit 627 00:31:10,659 --> 00:31:07,399 but the other people maybe two people 628 00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:10,669 but others are not and so what the 629 00:31:16,629 --> 00:31:12,350 intelligence behind the phenomena was 630 00:31:18,999 --> 00:31:16,639 showing us was that it could be a visual 631 00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:19,009 display that appears for one person only 632 00:31:25,539 --> 00:31:23,720 a small group and then others not this 633 00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:25,549 is very important because if the UFO 634 00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:28,429 intelligence can do this with shooting 635 00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,620 stars or what we call shooting stars 636 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:32,480 they're using some kind of holographic 637 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:35,210 technology then all the sightings that 638 00:31:41,049 --> 00:31:37,970 have been documented for the last 70 639 00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,059 years of the monitor UFO era if not all 640 00:31:47,159 --> 00:31:44,000 then some at least could be holographic 641 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:47,169 like technology that's and that's a very 642 00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:50,870 powerful concept because it helps 643 00:31:57,249 --> 00:31:53,750 explain a lot of the inconsistencies in 644 00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:57,259 the UFO literature and gives us an 645 00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:59,480 insight into the incredible side 646 00:32:04,749 --> 00:32:01,580 technology that this intelligence behind 647 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:04,759 the phenomenon is creating so on the 648 00:32:09,879 --> 00:32:07,580 basis of this experience and other 649 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,889 experiences which I can go into or UFO 650 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:11,600 Intel is what I like to call these 651 00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:13,070 so-called et's you 652 00:32:20,529 --> 00:32:16,509 intelligence you know for Intel they 653 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:20,539 later contacts they showed me how they 654 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:23,690 can do holographic like visual displays 655 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:25,820 that are illusions not only with 656 00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:27,590 anomalous shooting stars but also with 657 00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:33,039 with visual projections which are of 658 00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:34,929 extra what will appear to be 659 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:37,759 extraterrestrials so a lot of people's 660 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:40,820 contacts are holographic these are 661 00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:44,210 staged events the extraterrestrials are 662 00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:46,220 or whatever these sorts of the 663 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:48,019 intelligence behind the phenomena is 664 00:32:53,139 --> 00:32:50,570 able to use this powerful tool to create 665 00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:53,149 illusion so out of it I designed a 666 00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:54,669 theory called the virtual experience 667 00:33:00,970 --> 00:32:57,860 hypothesis which we can get into more 668 00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:00,980 detail later on in the course of our 669 00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:04,340 discussion it's an interesting concept 670 00:33:09,999 --> 00:33:06,649 because in the literature and of course 671 00:33:13,539 --> 00:33:10,009 many people that have had UFO 672 00:33:16,810 --> 00:33:13,549 experiences there's always you know the 673 00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:16,820 high strangeness and there's accounts of 674 00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:19,129 people you know hearing voices like 675 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:22,399 almost like the the audible aspect of 676 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:25,129 telepathy not the knowingness aspect 677 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:27,490 which is similar but slightly different 678 00:33:35,139 --> 00:33:31,129 but you don't hear much about or as much 679 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:35,149 about the visuals being implanted as far 680 00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:38,960 as the what they're seeing being 681 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:42,710 somewhat illusory other than you know 682 00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:44,740 people will report they see different 683 00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:48,799 images and things but they not so much 684 00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,860 of what they they're seeing in the field 685 00:33:59,529 --> 00:33:54,080 could be a projection of some sort that 686 00:34:02,259 --> 00:33:59,539 is implanted yeah once you go into some 687 00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:02,269 of the the field work experiences that 688 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:06,860 led you through as I mentioned 1992 I 689 00:34:13,930 --> 00:34:09,710 was recruited by dr. Steven Greer to be 690 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:13,940 a team leader I trained in meditations 691 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:16,510 and I had been somewhat familiar with 692 00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:20,230 ESP as a college student was popular 693 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:22,790 when I was in medical school in Boston a 694 00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:25,510 program called silver mind control 695 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:29,830 so as a first-year medical student I did 696 00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:32,409 take a rudimentary course in meditation 697 00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:35,980 or civil mind control technique and I 698 00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:39,929 learned about how one could use 699 00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:43,720 rudimentary sight ability or techniques 700 00:34:51,180 --> 00:34:47,350 to do simple things like find a parking 701 00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:51,190 space I know it sounds funny but I would 702 00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,710 be able to go into a quiet place when 703 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:56,320 I'm looking for a parking space and at 704 00:35:00,900 --> 00:34:57,970 the level of knowledge I would kind of 705 00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:00,910 know where you know the parking space 706 00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:03,430 was and I I'd find it and this would 707 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:05,740 this was quite delightful didn't work 708 00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:08,710 all the time but certainly enough in 709 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:11,230 living in going to medical school there 710 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,450 I got to a lot of traffic in a lot of 711 00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:16,240 cars so I wasn't able to use it so I was 712 00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:20,200 somewhat familiar with meditation but it 713 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:22,780 wasn't a regular practitioner and as a 714 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:25,690 result of my contact with the network 715 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:29,050 and going out doing fieldwork I devised 716 00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:31,510 to take a course in meditation and so I 717 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:33,160 took a course in TM in fact my whole 718 00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:35,410 family well except my younger daughter 719 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:37,860 was only about ten years old at the time 720 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:41,470 but my son was 15 and we my wife and now 721 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:43,510 we all took this course in 722 00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,740 Transcendental Meditation and started 723 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:50,800 meditating on a regular basis which is 724 00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:54,310 what we did both in the field but also 725 00:35:58,740 --> 00:35:56,380 as part of the discipline of being in a 726 00:36:01,700 --> 00:35:58,750 contact team we a'practice regular 727 00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:01,710 meditation to facilitate communication 728 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,300 so with though the intelligence behind 729 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:05,760 the phenomena so we're a group of 730 00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:08,950 meditators and I realized that something 731 00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:12,070 important was going on because I as part 732 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:14,860 of this effort of going out to reach out 733 00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:19,990 to the extraterrestrials we also had 734 00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:22,360 some changes personally one of the 735 00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,940 things I experienced was I lost my taste 736 00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:27,280 for meat I had never seriously 737 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:29,800 considered vegetarianism I had always 738 00:36:35,590 --> 00:36:32,200 been a meat and potatoes guy lamb chops 739 00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:35,600 take hamburgers you name it I would 740 00:36:46,319 --> 00:36:37,190 [Music] 741 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:46,329 I realized I don't want to meet anymore 742 00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:50,690 and my wife unfortunately as an 743 00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:52,430 excellent cook and she was a pair of 744 00:36:58,450 --> 00:36:54,470 vegetarian meals she wanted to be going 745 00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,460 to vegetarian diet as well so there was 746 00:37:03,309 --> 00:37:01,520 that personal transformation I also had 747 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,319 been suffering from some low back issues 748 00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:06,560 from years of sitting you know 10 12 749 00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:09,740 hours a day working in a hospital and so 750 00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:13,760 I had a bit of a spare tire in my early 751 00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:17,150 40s and was you know 10 15 pounds 752 00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:19,880 overweight and that didn't help my back 753 00:37:24,099 --> 00:37:21,950 issues now all of a sudden I'm 754 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:24,109 meditating eating a vegetarian diet 755 00:37:28,839 --> 00:37:26,930 going out to remote locations to find 756 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:28,849 potential fieldwork sites 757 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:30,650 I'm hiking which is something I hadn't 758 00:37:38,099 --> 00:37:33,290 done for about 20 years and I lost some 759 00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:38,109 weight and my back pain got much better 760 00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:40,430 and though so there were personal 761 00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:41,630 changes that happened that were 762 00:37:48,609 --> 00:37:43,579 beneficial as a result of doing the 763 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:48,619 contact work so we started in September 764 00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:54,170 of 1992 we chose a field work site in 765 00:37:59,079 --> 00:37:56,660 the Santa Susana pass this is in 766 00:38:02,920 --> 00:37:59,089 Chatsworth in the suburb of Los Angeles 767 00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:02,930 in the north west corner of the Los 768 00:38:09,579 --> 00:38:06,680 Angeles County and we chose this field 769 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:09,589 site which happened by chance or perhaps 770 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:12,770 by design which is another story 771 00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:15,290 right near of the Department of Energy 772 00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:19,280 site the Santa Susana Pass connects the 773 00:38:25,569 --> 00:38:21,500 Simi Valley another bedroom community 774 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,579 with Chatsworth and it's a high desert 775 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:28,640 locale we found a spot that had a 776 00:38:34,690 --> 00:38:31,609 spectacular view of the Santa Monica 777 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:34,700 Mountains to the south and we could see 778 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:37,310 the entire San Fernando Valley it was it 779 00:38:43,450 --> 00:38:39,730 was a excellent place to do field work 780 00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:43,460 behind a locked gate at a place that 781 00:38:48,970 --> 00:38:46,700 subsequent became a county park and this 782 00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:48,980 is the place where dr. Greer did his 783 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:50,840 demonstration field work and 784 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:54,890 of 1992 with our vet trained our team 785 00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,130 and even when dr. Greer was doing the 786 00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:00,320 demonstration fieldwork we had sightings 787 00:39:06,670 --> 00:39:03,920 of Golden Globe and her other anomalous 788 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:06,680 events that occurred but without dr. 789 00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:08,810 Greer I was uncertain whether we would 790 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:13,550 have success I was gratified to discover 791 00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:15,650 that as soon as a week we're going out 792 00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:18,740 into the field we would see in the 793 00:39:26,110 --> 00:39:22,180 course of field work Golden Globes and 794 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:26,120 red orbs that appeared at our research 795 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:28,490 site to the north of the Santa Susana 796 00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:31,730 Pass is a place called rocky peak State 797 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:33,830 Park it's a wilderness State Park and it 798 00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:36,650 has the highest one of the highest 799 00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:38,060 mountains in the santa monica which 800 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:39,590 actually is the little san bernardino 801 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:43,930 range and it's a peak that goes up about 802 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:47,090 2,900 3,000 feet something like that and 803 00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:48,530 the park is around it well we were 804 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:50,660 looking to the north and while we're 805 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:53,330 doing our field work while we could we 806 00:40:00,460 --> 00:39:55,970 saw these red warms that were going up 807 00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:00,470 and down and and they were silent and 808 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:02,360 they was kind of playing like peekaboo 809 00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:05,090 they'd go up halfway up the sky then 810 00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:06,560 they slowly come down and then another 811 00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:08,420 one would go up and then come down 812 00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,460 behind the ridge line to the north so 813 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:15,200 there were anomalous events that were 814 00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:19,130 occurring one of the first field 815 00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:21,230 investigations it was quite dramatic in 816 00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:25,430 that while we're doing our meditation 817 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:27,470 there was atmospheric effects that were 818 00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:31,130 highly anomalous there was no storm in 819 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:33,020 the vicinity and yet while our eyes were 820 00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:35,690 closed and we were meditating repeatedly 821 00:40:41,110 --> 00:40:38,380 there were what you might call silent 822 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:41,120 lightning strikes because all of a 823 00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:44,210 sudden we've been with her eyes closed 824 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:46,100 everything went what I think was 825 00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:48,770 brilliant bursts of light but no 826 00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:51,080 lightning and no thunderstorm activity 827 00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:54,830 and this happened repeatedly people who 828 00:40:59,050 --> 00:40:56,270 had their eyes open during the 829 00:41:02,190 --> 00:40:59,060 meditation saw that it was turned night 830 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:02,200 into day for a fraction of a second 831 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:04,610 everything around us was 832 00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:09,110 this happens repeatedly as we were 833 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:11,150 getting we're ready to break up a field 834 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:17,030 work we would try to leave this place 835 00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:20,210 together in groups of two's it is a 836 00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:27,800 rocky terrain and and back in the early 837 00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:29,660 days of the contact network we were 838 00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:32,180 uncertain as to how much contact we did 839 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:34,670 we would achieve we knew that the spider 840 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:37,130 meditation and our preparation 841 00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:39,170 spiritually for going out and trying to 842 00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:41,240 engage the UFO phenomena it was very 843 00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:45,200 strange and if the UFOs show up some 844 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:47,480 people would be frightened and so as 845 00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:49,370 part of the protocols back then we would 846 00:41:55,390 --> 00:41:52,550 have what we call a safe area and this 847 00:41:59,830 --> 00:41:55,400 this was a very good consideration 848 00:42:04,120 --> 00:41:59,840 because when dr. Steven Greer started 849 00:42:07,330 --> 00:42:04,130 doing field investigations repeatedly 850 00:42:09,580 --> 00:42:07,340 when UFOs would show up people in the 851 00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:09,590 group who weren't prepared mentally it 852 00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:11,900 would become panic-stricken and actually 853 00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:14,270 flee the site this happened in Gulf 854 00:42:21,850 --> 00:42:17,180 Breeze in 1992 where he had an 855 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:21,860 incredible sighting outside of the 856 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:24,290 Panhandle it's Gulf breezes near 857 00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:27,050 Pensacola Florida and during that 858 00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:30,590 incredible UFO investigation which was 859 00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:33,320 videotaped showing the appearance of 860 00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:36,440 three typical Gulf Breeze UFOs formed 861 00:42:40,750 --> 00:42:38,180 the triangle in response to dr. Steven 862 00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:40,760 Greer work some people became 863 00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:42,440 panic-stricken when dr. Greer announced 864 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:44,260 we're going to carry out emergency 865 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:46,730 protocols for landing and boarding 866 00:42:53,530 --> 00:42:51,170 because these three UFOs over the Gulf 867 00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:53,540 were coming in in response to dr. 868 00:42:59,260 --> 00:42:57,110 Greer's field investigation and people 869 00:43:01,690 --> 00:42:59,270 on the group there were 40 of them there 870 00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:01,700 on the beach and of our Beach some of 871 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:02,990 the people who came so frightened at the 872 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:04,730 prospect that the UFOs were coming 873 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:07,610 towards them in might even land they got 874 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:10,610 into their cars and fled so the safe 875 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:14,330 area was big was a concept that we 876 00:43:17,799 --> 00:43:16,490 developed so that in case people did get 877 00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:17,809 very emotional 878 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:20,420 upset and frightened by the whatever 879 00:43:25,179 --> 00:43:22,729 they're experiencing they could go to 880 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:25,189 this area with a body and we had a buddy 881 00:43:28,299 --> 00:43:27,049 system everyone would have a person that 882 00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:28,309 would escort them and it's a good idea 883 00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:31,400 if you who are working out and places 884 00:43:37,089 --> 00:43:33,829 that are high up rocky people can fall 885 00:43:42,009 --> 00:43:37,099 it's good to have a buddy to know where 886 00:43:46,329 --> 00:43:42,019 you are at all times so we had a safe 887 00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:46,339 area designated on the trail that led 888 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:49,160 back to the when we were doing field 889 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:51,410 work in the Santa Susana fact Santa 890 00:43:59,469 --> 00:43:55,130 Susana Pass we had a safe area that we 891 00:44:04,239 --> 00:43:59,479 would go to if a person one of us became 892 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:04,249 overwhelmed so one of my co-workers and 893 00:44:08,259 --> 00:44:06,049 this is another exciting story how the 894 00:44:10,989 --> 00:44:08,269 team formed with amazing synchronicities 895 00:44:12,579 --> 00:44:10,999 one of my co-workers in the hospital are 896 00:44:15,699 --> 00:44:12,589 shirley jones it was a respiratory 897 00:44:18,969 --> 00:44:15,709 therapist and worked in our ER she had a 898 00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:18,979 shift during yeah well the next morning 899 00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,049 after field work she had a shift in the 900 00:44:26,169 --> 00:44:23,599 in the hospital so she had to leave 901 00:44:28,059 --> 00:44:26,179 somewhat early she left about a half an 902 00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,069 hour before the main group started 903 00:44:34,269 --> 00:44:30,319 heading down the trail so she got into 904 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:34,279 her van and just drove away at the time 905 00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:36,170 that we were just going down the trail 906 00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:38,420 and we got to the area where our safe 907 00:44:47,289 --> 00:44:44,900 zone was and we saw an amazing light on 908 00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:47,299 the ridge line that was flashing at us 909 00:44:54,339 --> 00:44:51,199 there was actually two lights one I was 910 00:44:56,219 --> 00:44:54,349 directed at us and it had a flash like 911 00:44:59,559 --> 00:44:56,229 strobe it was quite large it was on a 912 00:45:00,999 --> 00:44:59,569 remote part of the ridge line where 913 00:45:06,219 --> 00:45:01,009 there were no houses it was in rocky 914 00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:06,229 peak State Park there were no trails we 915 00:45:12,699 --> 00:45:09,910 subsequently found out too that isolated 916 00:45:13,929 --> 00:45:12,709 place on the ridge line and there were 917 00:45:16,929 --> 00:45:13,939 these two powerful lights that were 918 00:45:18,459 --> 00:45:16,939 probably 2 or 3 feet across one was 919 00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:18,469 signaling at us the other one was 920 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:24,859 shining to the south west and one of the 921 00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:27,890 people on the team while call mark who 922 00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:30,390 has a film 923 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:34,859 a writer he was a screenwriter he was 924 00:45:38,779 --> 00:45:35,760 very helpful 925 00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:38,789 mark had admitted it people on our team 926 00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:42,079 were highly educated he had a 927 00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:44,940 undergraduate degree mark from Bari 928 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:46,859 where he was an editor of the national 929 00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,250 of the Harvard Lampoon he was also two 930 00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:52,680 masters degrees women film writing and 931 00:46:00,529 --> 00:45:56,220 the other in psychology and he was very 932 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:00,539 knowledgeable in contact protocols 933 00:46:06,019 --> 00:46:02,609 because he was an experienced meditator 934 00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:06,029 and he suggested to me that I should 935 00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:10,319 signal at the light on the ridge line 936 00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:16,369 and use a very specific set of signals 937 00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:19,829 when I tried first just randomly firing 938 00:46:26,259 --> 00:46:23,460 our lights at the you at the anomalous 939 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:26,269 light that was on the ridge line I 940 00:46:33,529 --> 00:46:30,210 didn't get very much success however 941 00:46:36,019 --> 00:46:33,539 when I followed Mark's suggestion which 942 00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:36,029 was and by the way we use back in those 943 00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,200 days these five hundred thousand candle 944 00:46:46,009 --> 00:46:43,140 power signal enters that were called by 945 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:46,019 the mail-order house the light bazooka 946 00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,130 we had these big lights that had a LED 947 00:46:52,999 --> 00:46:51,839 battery hooked and they wait about 948 00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:53,009 fifteen pounds 949 00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:55,859 I used the light bazooka to signal at 950 00:47:01,220 --> 00:46:59,940 the anomalous light on the ridge line it 951 00:47:03,859 --> 00:47:01,230 always struck me is kind of funny that 952 00:47:07,099 --> 00:47:03,869 we were there for peace in solidarity 953 00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:07,109 and we were signaling at them with you 954 00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:09,740 know light that had the name of a 955 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:11,430 military weapon 956 00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:15,180 I fired my light bazooka at the 957 00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,940 anomalous life and nothing initially 958 00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:20,160 happened but then when my I followed by 959 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:21,630 instantly instructions that my friend 960 00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:23,970 mark gave me he said why don't you do 961 00:47:31,999 --> 00:47:27,390 this shine your light and wait two three 962 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:32,009 seconds then fire your light twice and 963 00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:34,410 wait three seconds and then fire your 964 00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:37,859 life three times so it turned out I 965 00:47:43,849 --> 00:47:42,750 flashed up light and then I pause three 966 00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:43,859 seconds 967 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:51,420 flashes I did that once the second time 968 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:53,970 the intelligence behind the phenomena 969 00:48:00,259 --> 00:47:57,450 did something incredible as soon as I 970 00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:00,269 fired the light bazooka for the first 971 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:04,609 signal I got an immediate strobe reply I 972 00:48:11,319 --> 00:48:10,410 waited three seconds flash flash and 973 00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:11,329 immediately 974 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:14,369 flash flash and return but it was a very 975 00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,930 rapid bright flash it was quite 976 00:48:22,489 --> 00:48:21,119 remarkable and I waited another three 977 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:22,499 seconds one one thousand two one 978 00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,329 thousand three with this flash flash 979 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:26,640 flash three and immediately three 980 00:48:33,019 --> 00:48:30,960 flashes back in response so it was as if 981 00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:33,029 there was a electronic connection 982 00:48:37,999 --> 00:48:35,640 between my finger on the trigger of the 983 00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:38,009 light bazooka and the intelligence 984 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:40,470 behind the phenomena that anticipated of 985 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:41,970 what I was going to do because 986 00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:45,089 immediately a fraction of a second no we 987 00:48:49,339 --> 00:48:46,680 and our life bazookas they weren't very 988 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,349 sophisticated you'd fire the light it 989 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:51,359 was very bright but it would take about 990 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:54,210 a second for the light to fade out but 991 00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:56,970 these lights on the ridge line were very 992 00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:04,640 signaling or I should say a continuous 993 00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:08,400 light they could have strobes they could 994 00:49:14,299 --> 00:49:12,180 even fade in and fade out over five or 995 00:49:16,759 --> 00:49:14,309 ten seconds so these were very 996 00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:16,769 sophisticated lights they were large and 997 00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:19,230 they could interact with us what's to me 998 00:49:25,009 --> 00:49:22,470 that was although it wasn't a UFO it was 999 00:49:27,769 --> 00:49:25,019 very dramatic encounter because it 1000 00:49:30,529 --> 00:49:27,779 suggested to me during the first week of 1001 00:49:33,739 --> 00:49:30,539 our field investigations in 1992 that 1002 00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:33,749 there was a telepathic component was as 1003 00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,160 if I was linked mentally or 1004 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:37,859 electronically to the light that was 1005 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:40,890 about a thousand or 2,000 feet away 1006 00:49:47,539 --> 00:49:43,410 above us on the ridge line in the Santa 1007 00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:47,549 Ana pass so that was one of the first 1008 00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:50,099 field investigations that alerted me to 1009 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:54,630 this now my coworker Shirley Jones who 1010 00:50:02,480 --> 00:49:58,050 had left early she was driving an old 1011 00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,490 drove an chevy sports utility vehicle 1012 00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:04,800 was basically a truck she was driving in 1013 00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:08,390 ahead of us she got down to her car and 1014 00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:12,600 she was going to the southeast from the 1015 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:15,990 Santa Susana Pass and all of a sudden 1016 00:50:22,610 --> 00:50:19,170 that she's driving away she her car 1017 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:22,620 starts shaking violently and we had both 1018 00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,450 spent some time in New York together I 1019 00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:26,160 was born and raised Matt and I think 1020 00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:28,740 Shirley lived there for many years and 1021 00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:31,470 she said to me my car was shaking like 1022 00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:33,420 driving down you know New York City 1023 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:36,600 streets that were so poorly maintained 1024 00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:39,630 that the car was violently shaking a lot 1025 00:50:44,570 --> 00:50:40,950 of the time when you were trying back 1026 00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:44,580 then in the 60s and 70s and so she said 1027 00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:45,750 when she said it was like driving down 1028 00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,700 in New York Street I were there a lot of 1029 00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:49,920 potholes I knew exactly what she meant 1030 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:52,110 her car was shaking violently she 1031 00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:54,210 thought maybe she had a blowout this is 1032 00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:56,280 two o'clock in the morning she's a 1033 00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:01,500 single woman driving home alone and she 1034 00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:03,180 got to stop the car we should talk maybe 1035 00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:06,030 she had a blowout she she thought maybe 1036 00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:07,790 she had gone over some railroad tracks 1037 00:51:13,610 --> 00:51:10,230 she carefully he exited the vehicle 1038 00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:13,620 looked around and there were no evidence 1039 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:16,020 said of a flat there were no railroad 1040 00:51:20,810 --> 00:51:17,610 tracks that she had gone over there was 1041 00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:20,820 no potholes and that should be looked up 1042 00:51:26,540 --> 00:51:23,430 towards where were the tours of Santa 1043 00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:26,550 Susana Pass she saw a light signaling at 1044 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:30,030 her and I mentioned there were two 1045 00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:32,010 lights one was signaling and on us the 1046 00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:34,710 other was directed towards the southeast 1047 00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:36,300 which was the direction that Shirley had 1048 00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:39,590 gone and that violent shaking of the car 1049 00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:43,140 seemed to be more than coincidence It 1050 00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:45,150 was as if the intelligence behind the 1051 00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:46,920 phenomena wanted her to stop the vehicle 1052 00:51:53,570 --> 00:51:49,670 so that she could see the light as well 1053 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:53,580 it was you know quite interesting how 1054 00:51:57,110 --> 00:51:55,410 the intelligence around the phenomena 1055 00:52:00,830 --> 00:51:57,120 was showing us their tremendous 1056 00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:00,840 capability not only to interact with us 1057 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:05,780 mentally visually but also to be able to 1058 00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:08,850 physically shake the vehicle using some 1059 00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:11,070 kind of perhaps electromagnetic energy 1060 00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:11,700 to 1061 00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:17,160 her vehicle so this gives you a sense of 1062 00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:19,800 some of the work that we did in the 1063 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:23,400 early days of the contact network was 1064 00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:25,170 Close Encounters of the fifth kind 1065 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:32,480 initiative now just out of curiosity the 1066 00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:36,030 that Pensacola sighting that you guys 1067 00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:39,270 had with uh with dr. Steven Greer the 1068 00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:41,700 one with the the three craft now didn't 1069 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:43,980 didn't then initiate an event for dr. 1070 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:48,930 Greer and how he got involved with with 1071 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:52,770 some of the government insiders yes this 1072 00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:56,810 is uh explained to by dr. Greer and his 1073 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:00,180 several books in his many lectures but 1074 00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,210 there's also a part of the story that he 1075 00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:05,400 shared with his confidence the people in 1076 00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:07,020 the network that he doesn't talk about 1077 00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:12,240 so much and in order to understand what 1078 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:14,540 happened and the significance of his 1079 00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:19,410 Pensacola March 1992 encounter which as 1080 00:53:26,359 --> 00:53:21,060 I mentioned there were 40 people out in 1081 00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:26,369 the field they interacted on the with 1082 00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:28,230 not one not two but at least three 1083 00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:31,140 possibly four typical Gulf Breeze when 1084 00:53:33,859 --> 00:53:32,520 the Gulf Breeze was the nickname of this 1085 00:53:37,870 --> 00:53:33,869 seaside town where there had been a 1086 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:37,880 ongoing wave of UFO sightings and this 1087 00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:41,730 location was 2030 miles or so from the 1088 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:48,329 Pensacola Naval Air Station and as I 1089 00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:49,410 said it was interactive 1090 00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:51,960 it was videotaped it was on the basis of 1091 00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:54,660 that videotape that after I met dr. 1092 00:54:01,760 --> 00:53:58,650 Greer in June of 1992 and I saw this 1093 00:54:03,859 --> 00:54:01,770 videotape where he's clearly signaling 1094 00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:03,869 at the UFOs and they're signaling back 1095 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:05,910 at him with multiple witnesses present 1096 00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:08,130 that piece of documentation was very 1097 00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:11,430 convincing to me that's something quite 1098 00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:13,020 important was going on and so on the 1099 00:54:18,050 --> 00:54:16,020 basis of seeing that I volunteered to 1100 00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,060 join the network but I wasn't the only 1101 00:54:25,009 --> 00:54:21,680 person that was watching Steven Greer 1102 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:25,019 the United States intelligence services 1103 00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,890 long history of interacting with a UFO 1104 00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:31,380 investigator some this is the subject of 1105 00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:33,989 a very important book written by Grant 1106 00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:36,599 Cameron who has been on your show and 1107 00:54:44,479 --> 00:54:39,059 that's an excellent interview I 1108 00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:44,489 recommend all listeners to UFO and n go 1109 00:54:49,669 --> 00:54:46,169 back into the archives and listen to 1110 00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:49,679 Grant Cameron's interview author of 1111 00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:52,169 managing magic and he's described how 1112 00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:55,049 this has been a kind of ongoing project 1113 00:55:02,359 --> 00:54:58,799 for the last well 5060 years of 1114 00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:02,369 government insiders interacting with UFO 1115 00:55:09,649 --> 00:55:05,579 investigators to leak important 1116 00:55:12,859 --> 00:55:09,659 information and so as part of that 1117 00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,869 ongoing project of people in the 1118 00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:14,880 intelligence services were watching the 1119 00:55:22,669 --> 00:55:17,849 UFO community in the and so on Steven 1120 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:22,679 Greer forms he said in 1990 there were 1121 00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:26,130 important people who had him on their 1122 00:55:33,859 --> 00:55:31,049 radar scope in 1991 this has never been 1123 00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,869 reported dr. Greer doesn't talk about it 1124 00:55:40,249 --> 00:55:36,119 much but he did talk about it with to 1125 00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:40,259 his closest associates 1992 I joined see 1126 00:55:47,439 --> 00:55:43,319 SETI his assistant Shari Adamiak who was 1127 00:55:50,479 --> 00:55:47,449 a helped dr. Greer formulate the contact 1128 00:55:53,149 --> 00:55:50,489 protocols and was a very important force 1129 00:55:58,429 --> 00:55:53,159 in the early days of our network Sheri 1130 00:56:00,169 --> 00:55:58,439 joined in 1991 but there was also people 1131 00:56:02,479 --> 00:56:00,179 from within the intelligence community 1132 00:56:06,049 --> 00:56:02,489 that knew about this to you and career 1133 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:06,059 because in 1991 as part of his initial 1134 00:56:12,609 --> 00:56:09,089 investigation he had facilitated an 1135 00:56:15,499 --> 00:56:12,619 encounter with a UFO that was in the 1136 00:56:18,769 --> 00:56:15,509 North Carolina area where he lived and 1137 00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:18,779 that was picked up on radar of the local 1138 00:56:24,229 --> 00:56:22,799 airport so I suspect people within the 1139 00:56:26,839 --> 00:56:24,239 intelligence community that are 1140 00:56:29,449 --> 00:56:26,849 monitoring the UFO phenomena and they 1141 00:56:31,909 --> 00:56:29,459 are definitely monitoring contacts and 1142 00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:31,919 later on we can talk about some of the 1143 00:56:37,879 --> 00:56:35,089 problems our contact team had with 1144 00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:37,889 surveillance intelligence operatives but 1145 00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:38,220 that's 1146 00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:40,380 and again another long story well they 1147 00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:42,470 these intelligent operatives were 1148 00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:46,859 observing the UFO community and in 1991 1149 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:49,590 a very important person commander will 1150 00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:53,810 Miller who was a naval intelligence 1151 00:57:00,260 --> 00:56:58,200 person officer and had a connection to 1152 00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:00,270 the Joint Chiefs of Staff as one of the 1153 00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:03,240 briefers and at the Joint Chiefs of 1154 00:57:08,570 --> 00:57:03,780 Staff 1155 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:08,580 according to dr. Greer this officer with 1156 00:57:16,940 --> 00:57:12,090 in full uniform showed up his own Linna 1157 00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:16,950 and said to him we want to help you we 1158 00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:19,500 meaning the intelligence community we 1159 00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:22,920 believe that you or I think as correct I 1160 00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:25,380 should correct myself as dr. Greer 1161 00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:27,300 related to me and sherry and to Wayne 1162 00:57:31,070 --> 00:57:28,619 Peterson the other working group 1163 00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:31,080 coordinator he also has passed away 1164 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:33,750 along with Sharon he told all of his 1165 00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:35,369 doctor who told all of his closest 1166 00:57:40,820 --> 00:57:37,859 confidence said commander will Miller 1167 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:40,830 showed up in full uniform at his home 1168 00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:44,330 and said we want to help you because 1169 00:57:51,140 --> 00:57:46,859 well at will Miller stated that you were 1170 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:51,150 put on earth by God to open up our 1171 00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:53,250 planet to contact with extraterrestrials 1172 00:57:58,550 --> 00:57:55,020 well this is quite a remarkable 1173 00:58:01,760 --> 00:57:58,560 statement I wasn't there dr. Greer was 1174 00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:01,770 there and in view of the importance of 1175 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:06,119 will Miller's playing liaison between 1176 00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:09,890 dr. Greer and high-level / people 1177 00:58:16,310 --> 00:58:12,990 researchers scientists as well as 1178 00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:16,320 military officers that connection was 1179 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:20,670 facilitated as early as 1991 with will 1180 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:25,290 Miller meeting dr. Greer but Miller was 1181 00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:27,650 not the only person there was also 1182 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:35,400 another Navy retired officer his name 1183 00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:40,650 was John Peterson and he was head of 1184 00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:43,380 instill is a Washington think tank 1185 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:47,910 called the Arlington Institute and this 1186 00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:51,210 is a futurist think tank just to jump in 1187 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:51,780 here doctor 1188 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:53,850 Burke said that at Peterson fellow is 1189 00:58:59,120 --> 00:58:58,170 the same person who played some role in 1190 00:59:01,400 --> 00:58:59,130 facilitating 1191 00:59:04,070 --> 00:59:01,410 Greer's meeting with james Woolsey is he 1192 00:59:05,780 --> 00:59:04,080 not that is exactly correct and thank 1193 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:05,790 you for bringing it up moving it along 1194 00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:08,970 because dr. Greer did meet with james 1195 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:11,880 Woolsey a head of the CIA Clinton's 1196 00:59:19,790 --> 00:59:15,690 first CIA director in December of 1993 1197 00:59:22,550 --> 00:59:19,800 and that was facilitated by John 1198 00:59:27,290 --> 00:59:22,560 Peterson who was a former Navy aviator 1199 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:27,300 and I have to tell you that the the it 1200 00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:29,610 was quite interesting to meet people 1201 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:34,350 like wil Miller and so John Peterson 1202 00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:37,410 because to be a Navy pilot you have to 1203 00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:39,630 take off you know if an aircraft carrier 1204 00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:42,540 moving at 60 miles an hour into a wind 1205 00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,180 and they don't call themselves pilots 1206 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:47,520 because that's such a highly skilled job 1207 00:59:52,940 --> 00:59:49,890 they used a different term to designate 1208 00:59:56,330 --> 00:59:52,950 them Navy aviators they call them yeah 1209 00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:56,340 I'm not a pilot I'm an aviator and John 1210 01:00:00,680 --> 00:59:58,530 Peterson had served in the Gulf of 1211 01:00:02,590 --> 01:00:00,690 Tonkin and yet when he retired from the 1212 01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:02,600 military formed this think tank but he 1213 01:00:09,110 --> 01:00:07,380 was a rising star in the Pentagon and 1214 01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,120 rumor had it that he was on the short 1215 01:00:13,070 --> 01:00:11,040 list to be an undersecretary assistant 1216 01:00:18,130 --> 01:00:13,080 undersecretary of the Navy at one point 1217 01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:18,140 and his friend james Woolsey who was a 1218 01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:22,440 was the first director for the CIA so 1219 01:00:29,540 --> 01:00:25,670 Wayne Peters I should say John Peterson 1220 01:00:34,070 --> 01:00:29,550 John Peterson I started attending some 1221 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:34,080 of dr. careers conferences and finally 1222 01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:37,770 he introduced himself as someone who 1223 01:00:42,110 --> 01:00:40,740 could be helpful to dr. Greer and dr. 1224 01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,120 Greer or say well how who do you know 1225 01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:44,640 and how could it be helpful and he said 1226 01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:46,740 how would you like to meet the head of 1227 01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:52,230 the CIA so so this this meeting did 1228 01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:55,020 occur it was the cover story was that it 1229 01:01:06,680 --> 01:00:58,890 was a dinner party and dr. Greer and his 1230 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:11,800 John Peterson they separated from the 1231 01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:15,450 main party and for two hours if dr. 1232 01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:18,480 Brewers testimony is accurate dr. Greer 1233 01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:21,300 discussed with the head of the CIA and 1234 01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:26,400 Wayne Peterson and dr. Woolsey's wife 1235 01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:30,420 was also a high-ranking person I think 1236 01:01:35,090 --> 01:01:33,480 the National Institute of Science she 1237 01:01:39,380 --> 01:01:35,100 was they think the operations officer 1238 01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:39,390 she was also a PhD and a scientist so 1239 01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,310 they have a two-hour discussion of the 1240 01:01:46,690 --> 01:01:43,200 UFO phenomena in which dr. Greer laid 1241 01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:46,700 out his program to engage the phenomena 1242 01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:49,950 proactively by forming contact teams and 1243 01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:52,440 in the process of having these 1244 01:01:57,740 --> 01:01:55,110 interactions to alert the larger society 1245 01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,750 that UFOs are real they're really 1246 01:02:02,060 --> 01:01:59,640 important and we can establish a 1247 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:02,070 cooperative relationship so there was a 1248 01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:04,050 series of meetings that were facilitated 1249 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:07,500 by John Peterson who was head of the 1250 01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:09,330 Arlington Institute a former Navy 1251 01:02:16,580 --> 01:02:15,060 aviator wil Miller intelligence officer 1252 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:16,590 who had a job with the Joint Chiefs of 1253 01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:19,170 Staff and they were working with dr. 1254 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:22,350 Greer to meet other important people and 1255 01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:25,410 share information about the secret 1256 01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:30,180 programs that were going on so I got a 1257 01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:33,900 chance to meet John Peterson and in 1993 1258 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:36,510 as the negotiations were going on to set 1259 01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:40,290 up the meeting and it was a it was sort 1260 01:02:44,359 --> 01:02:42,420 of strange because it was culture clash 1261 01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:44,369 the people in the military industrial 1262 01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,240 complex interacting with people were 1263 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:51,359 kind of like New Age spiritual into 1264 01:03:00,200 --> 01:02:55,530 meditation and UFOs but that liaison was 1265 01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:00,210 there and dr. Greer and my judgment is 1266 01:03:07,010 --> 01:03:03,180 different from the other people that 1267 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:07,020 have played a similar roles and I refer 1268 01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:08,970 now to Grant Cameron's work managing 1269 01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:12,240 magic in which he describes how Bill 1270 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:14,940 Moore was a UFO investigator was taken 1271 01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:17,970 into some of these programs 1272 01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:22,560 and reported on it and also we have now 1273 01:03:28,550 --> 01:03:26,400 Tom DeLonge who has military advisers 1274 01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:28,560 and I should say advisers from the 1275 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:30,510 military industrial intelligence complex 1276 01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:33,570 with his to the stars a project but was 1277 01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,380 different about dr. Greer in my opinion 1278 01:03:42,860 --> 01:03:38,880 was that the military industrial 1279 01:03:45,020 --> 01:03:42,870 intelligence complex those groups that 1280 01:03:47,810 --> 01:03:45,030 were wanting to have more openness on 1281 01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,820 the subject working with someone like 1282 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:49,920 dr. Greer who was a high-level contact 1283 01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,490 he and in my opinion had direct 1284 01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:55,500 telepathic communication with was it 1285 01:04:01,040 --> 01:03:57,660 phenomena again I just had to follow up 1286 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:01,050 with a small point about that there's 1287 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:02,850 been some back and forth between Greer 1288 01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:05,610 and Woolsey about what the nature of the 1289 01:04:13,850 --> 01:04:10,350 the meeting was basically Woolsey has 1290 01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:13,860 written a letter saying that well I 1291 01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:16,140 wasn't exactly briefed I was just being 1292 01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,540 polite at a dinner party where Greer 1293 01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:20,400 basically yeah been to zerah been about 1294 01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:25,380 UFOs and his Greer's claim that this was 1295 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:29,400 a proper briefing and all that is an 1296 01:04:35,540 --> 01:04:32,370 exaggeration a misrepresentation and I 1297 01:04:38,810 --> 01:04:35,550 do note that Woolsey provided a letter 1298 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:38,820 that was signed by Woolsey's wife the 1299 01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:40,410 lady that you mentioned knew that did 1300 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:43,140 the work with the the Science Foundation 1301 01:04:48,260 --> 01:04:46,170 if I recall you saying and I was also 1302 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:48,270 signed by Peterson and his wife as well 1303 01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:51,090 and I was wondering if you've got any 1304 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:53,480 sort of a feedback or response to that 1305 01:04:59,060 --> 01:04:56,970 yeah sure I you know I have to say that 1306 01:05:03,110 --> 01:04:59,070 I was there during the planning of the 1307 01:05:05,090 --> 01:05:03,120 of those meetings I didn't know that dr. 1308 01:05:07,460 --> 01:05:05,100 Greer was gonna meet with the CIA 1309 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:07,470 director but I was to the network was 1310 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:08,970 alerted that there was going to be a 1311 01:05:13,310 --> 01:05:10,770 very high-level meeting that was going 1312 01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:13,320 on and you know I think it's important 1313 01:05:19,340 --> 01:05:15,030 to point out as grant Cameron and asked 1314 01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:19,350 in discussing the dr. Greer CIA director 1315 01:05:25,070 --> 01:05:22,140 Woolsey connection that anytime any UFO 1316 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:25,080 investigator under any circumstance gets 1317 01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:28,530 to talk about UFOs with the CIA director 1318 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:30,510 this isn't very important 1319 01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:34,290 so Don the idea that there was just a 1320 01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:38,040 dinner party then there were this wasn't 1321 01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:41,160 a meeting that was set up for dr. Greer 1322 01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:45,720 to have a substantial meeting with the 1323 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:49,440 CIA directors it's just a cover story so 1324 01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:52,530 so basically yeah just then sorry to 1325 01:05:56,060 --> 01:05:52,980 interrupt 1326 01:05:58,570 --> 01:05:56,070 but you're saying that you were there 1327 01:06:00,860 --> 01:05:58,580 personally when Peterson was in the room 1328 01:06:02,780 --> 01:06:00,870 discussing this is what the nature of 1329 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:02,790 the meeting is going to be about no I 1330 01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:05,490 was not are you we're not okay okay I I 1331 01:06:11,030 --> 01:06:08,520 got to see Leah subsidy that the 1332 01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:11,040 telegram that was used to set up the 1333 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:16,680 meeting I got to hear about the 1334 01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:18,450 discussions of dr. Greer going and 1335 01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:20,940 meeting a very important person which 1336 01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:22,710 turned out to the CIA director and 1337 01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:26,070 subsequently the CIA was started 1338 01:06:31,790 --> 01:06:29,520 cooperating because I saw file and file 1339 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:31,800 on file of documents that were released 1340 01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:37,050 by the CIA to dr. Greer that were coming 1341 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:39,650 as part of the effort and liaison 1342 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:44,370 between him and the CIA director so this 1343 01:06:49,310 --> 01:06:46,890 was and you know dr. Greer was talking 1344 01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:49,320 about a Dan Smith and for people who 1345 01:06:59,690 --> 01:06:53,190 follow grant Cameron's work Dan Smith is 1346 01:07:04,550 --> 01:06:59,700 and also dr. Ron Penn Pandolfi who's a 1347 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:04,560 high-ranking CIA official dr. Greer was 1348 01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:06,690 talking about was just talking about Ron 1349 01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:09,000 Pento he said this and Dan Smith said 1350 01:07:16,310 --> 01:07:13,500 that and these high-ranking intelligence 1351 01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:16,320 officers were clearly interacting with 1352 01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:19,680 dr. Greer and the subsequent a meeting 1353 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:22,260 that happened in December I think it was 1354 01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:28,170 16 1993 was was not a simple dinner 1355 01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:30,900 party invitation this was something that 1356 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:33,750 was planned prepared for and I got to 1357 01:07:40,070 --> 01:07:38,130 see the records of the CIA that had been 1358 01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:40,080 passed along to dr. Greer in boxes upon 1359 01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:43,380 boxes of documents so that liaison 1360 01:07:49,309 --> 01:07:46,200 clearly going on for for several years 1361 01:07:55,099 --> 01:07:49,319 but you know Woolsey was unfortunately 1362 01:07:57,079 --> 01:07:55,109 fired he would by Clinton and dr. Greer 1363 01:08:00,559 --> 01:07:57,089 in a discipline that I think responsible 1364 01:08:03,220 --> 01:08:00,569 man there did not refer to that meeting 1365 01:08:07,609 --> 01:08:03,230 that they had for several years he kept 1366 01:08:09,740 --> 01:08:07,619 confidentiality but he did started you 1367 01:08:11,779 --> 01:08:09,750 did start talking about that meeting 1368 01:08:13,549 --> 01:08:11,789 that had occurred and of course Woolsey 1369 01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:13,559 then became very upset because his cover 1370 01:08:20,539 --> 01:08:16,199 had been blown and so he the the story 1371 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:20,549 of of dinner party was sure it was 1372 01:08:24,649 --> 01:08:23,130 promoted and circulated and and I I 1373 01:08:27,919 --> 01:08:24,659 don't believe it I think it was a cover 1374 01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:27,929 story okay I real real quick yeah I 1375 01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:29,400 could probably find out just by looking 1376 01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:33,089 at up really quick but Clinton was by 1377 01:08:38,829 --> 01:08:36,120 all accounts up pro UFO a Woolsey seems 1378 01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:38,839 at least open to I know Peterson was a 1379 01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,370 Steven Greer is not the only UFO 1380 01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:43,920 researcher that Peterson was in contact 1381 01:08:49,309 --> 01:08:45,870 with there were some others as well so 1382 01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:49,319 obviously yeah Peterson is very much Pro 1383 01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:56,279 a UFO but do you know why yeah Woolsey 1384 01:09:03,729 --> 01:08:56,880 was fired 1385 01:09:07,729 --> 01:09:03,739 basically well it had to do with with a 1386 01:09:09,789 --> 01:09:07,739 espionage case where a CIA officer I'm 1387 01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:09,799 not sure if it was his name was Hanson 1388 01:09:15,559 --> 01:09:12,600 but a CIA officer was going into the 1389 01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:15,569 archives and removing documents and 1390 01:09:24,979 --> 01:09:21,000 walking them over to the Soviet embassy 1391 01:09:30,559 --> 01:09:24,989 in Washington DC okay and the the the 1392 01:09:33,260 --> 01:09:30,569 security arrangements were so lacks at 1393 01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,270 the CIA and the polygraph testing that 1394 01:09:38,899 --> 01:09:35,520 was done to prevent this type of thing 1395 01:09:41,899 --> 01:09:38,909 was so incompetent that it became a 1396 01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:41,909 national scandal how all this 1397 01:09:51,140 --> 01:09:47,359 information had been released and so 1398 01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:51,150 Clinton ordered Woolsey his CIA director 1399 01:09:56,780 --> 01:09:55,679 to carry out an enforcement and to 1400 01:10:00,640 --> 01:09:56,790 discipline and fire 1401 01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:00,650 those people who had been so careless in 1402 01:10:09,530 --> 01:10:05,880 allowing this to occur the individual I 1403 01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,540 think it was his name Hansen received 1404 01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:11,040 hundreds of thousands of dollars from 1405 01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:13,470 the Soviets he bought himself fancy cars 1406 01:10:19,580 --> 01:10:17,460 a fancy house all of which he explained 1407 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:19,590 away on the basis of it will his wife 1408 01:10:25,820 --> 01:10:22,410 inherited money but you think the CIA 1409 01:10:28,190 --> 01:10:25,830 would investigate and enquire why one of 1410 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:28,200 their officers on suddenly has is 1411 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:30,210 incredibly wealthy they didn't even 1412 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:33,930 check into that it was there was so so 1413 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:36,810 Woolsey loyalty to his department 1414 01:10:43,220 --> 01:10:40,170 refused to be that an ax man the hatchet 1415 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:43,230 man and he refused to discipline the the 1416 01:10:48,710 --> 01:10:46,050 officers and I think it was on the basis 1417 01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:48,720 of that that he was fired nothing to do 1418 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:50,820 I understood I just wanted to clear that 1419 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,090 up because it does seem that well again 1420 01:10:59,240 --> 01:10:56,400 we know that Clinton was very interested 1421 01:11:02,240 --> 01:10:59,250 and Woolsey was at least maybe a little 1422 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:02,250 bit interested well it was very 1423 01:11:08,660 --> 01:11:04,170 interested because he was working 1424 01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:08,670 directly with the contact network dr. 1425 01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:10,500 Steven Greer was head of the Center for 1426 01:11:15,230 --> 01:11:12,240 the Study of extraterrestrial his 1427 01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:15,240 interest was personal I was told because 1428 01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:17,790 he had had a sighting and and you have 1429 01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:19,230 to remember that when dealing with the 1430 01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:21,720 government if 10% of the people and the 1431 01:11:27,310 --> 01:11:23,790 general population has had a sighting 1432 01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:27,320 and and something like 1% has had a 1433 01:11:32,150 --> 01:11:30,780 so-called ce4 or were they or they see 1434 01:11:34,580 --> 01:11:32,160 an extraterrestrial being it's an 1435 01:11:36,530 --> 01:11:34,590 incredible number of people describe 1436 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:36,540 these kinds of encounters we're talking 1437 01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,250 about 1438 01:11:41,210 --> 01:11:39,360 millions of people around the planet 1439 01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:41,220 those individuals are also going to 1440 01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:43,020 appear in government so you have a 1441 01:11:48,290 --> 01:11:45,780 situation where it was it's rumor that 1442 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:48,300 Woolsey had a sighting certainly Tom 1443 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:50,850 DeLonge has people on his team now in 1444 01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:54,810 the to the stars Academy there's a gym 1445 01:12:01,640 --> 01:11:57,960 semi van who is a high-ranking former 1446 01:12:04,300 --> 01:12:01,650 CIA official that is reported to have 1447 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:04,310 actually had what's called an abduction 1448 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:08,250 other people on the Tom DeLonge team 1449 01:12:13,070 --> 01:12:10,650 have reportedly had side 1450 01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:13,080 and other kind of contact experiences so 1451 01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:14,760 there are people in the government in 1452 01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:19,460 the CIA who are experiences and the 1453 01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:23,310 phenomena is is ubiquitous it's only 1454 01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:27,540 present so you've got to understand this 1455 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:29,940 to realize that people within the 1456 01:12:34,670 --> 01:12:32,730 government on a personal basis are going 1457 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:34,680 to be very interested in the phenomenon 1458 01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:36,690 and I believe Woolsey or someone in his 1459 01:12:47,660 --> 01:12:39,750 family had also had a sighting got it 1460 01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:47,670 okay getting back to you go ahead Jim 1461 01:12:56,180 --> 01:12:51,420 no go ahead guard well so I got a chance 1462 01:12:58,190 --> 01:12:56,190 to meet John Peterson and one of the 1463 01:13:04,480 --> 01:12:58,200 guys on my contact team captain Joe 1464 01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:04,490 Vallejo who was a pilot for United's 747 1465 01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:09,300 he I heard Peterson and captain Vallejo 1466 01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:19,490 Institute for new science it was a 1467 01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:23,760 meeting that happened in Colorado where 1468 01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:26,760 in October of 1993 and that's where I 1469 01:13:32,420 --> 01:13:29,340 got a chance to meet John Peterson and 1470 01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,430 he was and dr. Greer were thick as 1471 01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:34,080 thieves they were going around together 1472 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:36,240 and it was you know clearly people 1473 01:13:40,420 --> 01:13:37,770 within the intelligence community were 1474 01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:40,430 associating with with the network and 1475 01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:43,500 you know my my feelings about these 1476 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:46,920 people were you know quite mixed because 1477 01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:49,050 my background is peace and social 1478 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:52,260 justice and I'd been to demonstrations 1479 01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:55,050 organize student strikes try to end the 1480 01:14:00,650 --> 01:13:58,050 Vietnam War and our feelings about the 1481 01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:00,660 CIA we're not very positive because the 1482 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:07,190 CIA you know being the president's I 1483 01:14:12,710 --> 01:14:10,170 almost say personal because it's not 1484 01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:12,720 personal but the CIA was created to give 1485 01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:15,330 direct advice to the president in the 1486 01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:17,100 United States and daily intelligence 1487 01:14:23,180 --> 01:14:19,620 briefing the CIA had played a very dark 1488 01:14:25,610 --> 01:14:23,190 role in the Vietnam War it was a 1489 01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:25,620 assassination program called operation 1490 01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:30,239 Phoenix and over tens of thousands I 1491 01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:33,300 think 35,000 civilians primarily were 1492 01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:36,630 assassinated by CIA and these were 1493 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:39,719 teachers and doctors and government 1494 01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:42,210 officials and within the National 1495 01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:44,840 Liberation Front this so-called Vietcong 1496 01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:48,840 so we were very much disturbed and by 1497 01:14:54,740 --> 01:14:52,199 the Vietnam War back in the 60s and 70s 1498 01:14:57,410 --> 01:14:54,750 or were massive demonstrations and the 1499 01:15:00,350 --> 01:14:57,420 CIA was played an integral role in 1500 01:15:02,570 --> 01:15:00,360 carrying out that war that from our 1501 01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:02,580 point of view was senseless and led to 1502 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:05,070 the unnecessary deaths of 50,000 1503 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:07,890 Americans and several million 1504 01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:10,770 indo-chinese people so here dr. Greer is 1505 01:15:16,660 --> 01:15:13,710 working with all these intelligence 1506 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:16,670 people and military-industrial types and 1507 01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:19,530 for me that was that was disturbing 1508 01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:22,320 he claimed dr. Kerr claimed that these 1509 01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:25,500 were the guys in the white hats these 1510 01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:27,239 were people within the control groups 1511 01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:30,270 and I prefer that term control groups to 1512 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:32,580 describe those powerful forces within 1513 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:34,530 the establishment that are attempting to 1514 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:37,890 keep a lid on the UFO situation there 1515 01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,570 are sexist sections of the control 1516 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:41,760 groups that want more openness on this 1517 01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:45,570 subject and dr. Greer presumably was 1518 01:15:51,890 --> 01:15:49,800 working with the those people within the 1519 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:51,900 military industrial intelligence complex 1520 01:15:59,120 --> 01:15:55,530 that wanted to open up our society to to 1521 01:16:01,790 --> 01:15:59,130 more contact as commander will Miller 1522 01:16:05,689 --> 01:16:01,800 reportedly said to Steven Greer when 1523 01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:05,699 they met in 1991 in his home so but 1524 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:09,440 still there was that culture clash and 1525 01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:12,530 eventually I became sufficiently 1526 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:15,180 disturbed by his close association with 1527 01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:17,010 the intelligence community that it was 1528 01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:18,900 one of the reasons that I left he said 1529 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:22,199 in 1998 but this is a very complex story 1530 01:16:27,890 --> 01:16:24,570 and has to do with the inner politics of 1531 01:16:30,130 --> 01:16:27,900 the disclosure process as well as the 1532 01:16:33,740 --> 01:16:30,140 inner politics of the contact network 1533 01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:33,750 and the various ways in which UFO 1534 01:16:36,879 --> 01:16:36,360 intelligence is attempting to get the 1535 01:16:40,540 --> 01:16:36,889 word 1536 01:16:46,330 --> 01:16:40,550 by working with people like dr. Greer 1537 01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,340 high-level contactees to make a change 1538 01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:49,040 within the control groups in a certain 1539 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:51,230 sense dr. Greer is an agent of influence 1540 01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:53,449 but that's the way I think of them and 1541 01:16:56,919 --> 01:16:55,310 one of the theories that I'm promoting 1542 01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:56,929 is a the Intelligence 1543 01:17:02,830 --> 01:16:59,840 counterintelligence paradigm you know 1544 01:17:05,649 --> 01:17:02,840 people ask how should we study UFOs well 1545 01:17:07,209 --> 01:17:05,659 for MUFON mutual UFO network which is an 1546 01:17:09,459 --> 01:17:07,219 important organization that has 1547 01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,469 thousands of civilian volunteer 1548 01:17:15,340 --> 01:17:11,840 investigators they say you do it by 1549 01:17:18,580 --> 01:17:15,350 studying sightings but after 50 years of 1550 01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,590 studying sightings what do you really 1551 01:17:23,379 --> 01:17:20,719 know about the intelligence behind the 1552 01:17:27,790 --> 01:17:23,389 phenomenon not very much you can 1553 01:17:30,910 --> 01:17:27,800 describe typical characteristics of the 1554 01:17:34,510 --> 01:17:30,920 objects there there will shape their 1555 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:34,520 color their flight characteristics which 1556 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:35,810 are anomalous but you really don't know 1557 01:17:39,729 --> 01:17:37,250 about the intelligence behind the 1558 01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:39,739 phenomena and beings that are perhaps 1559 01:17:44,620 --> 01:17:42,770 inside the craft you can only know that 1560 01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:44,630 by being an experience or indirectly 1561 01:17:50,859 --> 01:17:48,500 engaging them and so the ce-5 initiative 1562 01:17:53,919 --> 01:17:50,869 was a very powerful tool to investigate 1563 01:17:56,979 --> 01:17:53,929 the phenomena and dr. Greer as heading 1564 01:18:01,600 --> 01:17:56,989 that effort would attract the interest 1565 01:18:03,459 --> 01:18:01,610 of the intelligence services now I hope 1566 01:18:06,450 --> 01:18:03,469 that the group that he's working with is 1567 01:18:09,129 --> 01:18:06,460 promoting is openness for peace I 1568 01:18:12,459 --> 01:18:09,139 suspect that that may not be the case 1569 01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,469 but in any any situation when you're 1570 01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:14,480 dealing with clandestine operatives a 1571 01:18:24,430 --> 01:18:19,040 lot is unknown but UFO intelligence in 1572 01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:24,440 many ways is approached by the national 1573 01:18:30,850 --> 01:18:27,170 security apparatus as if it were an 1574 01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:30,860 enemy intelligence operation and so you 1575 01:18:37,890 --> 01:18:34,060 have people in counterintelligence like 1576 01:18:40,770 --> 01:18:37,900 the Air Force Office of Special and 1577 01:18:43,709 --> 01:18:40,780 after's Office of Special Investigations 1578 01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:43,719 you have their people infiltrating and 1579 01:18:48,970 --> 01:18:46,400 interacting with the the you of the UFO 1580 01:18:50,030 --> 01:18:48,980 community you have their famous Richard 1581 01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:50,040 Dottie and 1582 01:18:55,730 --> 01:18:52,830 disaster of the Paul bennewitz case back 1583 01:18:58,820 --> 01:18:55,740 in the 80s where a UFO investigator was 1584 01:19:02,030 --> 01:18:58,830 being manipulated by the Air Force 1585 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:02,040 Office of Special Investigation and if 1586 01:19:08,030 --> 01:19:05,010 you cannot study the phenomena directly 1587 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:08,040 you study the people who are interacting 1588 01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:10,170 with the phenomenon and so the 1589 01:19:17,150 --> 01:19:12,390 intelligence services are you know 1590 01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:17,160 they're working alongside the UFO 1591 01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:19,320 community trying to find out what's 1592 01:19:23,780 --> 01:19:22,710 going on and it's understandable that 1593 01:19:26,980 --> 01:19:23,790 they would want to work with someone 1594 01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:26,990 like dr. Greer who in my judgment as a 1595 01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:30,000 direct communication the past had direct 1596 01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:31,320 telepathic communication with the 1597 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:35,400 phenomenon so so why I suggest that we 1598 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:37,410 look at the UFO phenomena not as a 1599 01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:39,570 scientific investigation because let's 1600 01:19:43,670 --> 01:19:40,170 face it 1601 01:19:45,860 --> 01:19:43,680 UFO Intel controls almost every aspect 1602 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:45,870 of the phenomena they choose where 1603 01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:48,090 they're going to appear there they 1604 01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:50,280 choose the time they choose the 1605 01:19:54,260 --> 01:19:52,860 individuals who are going to have the 1606 01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:54,270 contact experience whether it be a 1607 01:20:00,920 --> 01:19:56,310 sighting or something what is called the 1608 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:00,930 ce4 where they go on or crap the 1609 01:20:04,250 --> 01:20:02,250 so-called abduction 1610 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:04,260 what's the ìiî where they see it so 1611 01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:06,210 first professional scientists to try to 1612 01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:09,870 engage a phenomena that's controlled by 1613 01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:11,670 an intelligence that's more powerful 1614 01:20:16,730 --> 01:20:14,760 more intelligence more intelligent than 1615 01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:16,740 the scientists themselves I think it's 1616 01:20:21,230 --> 01:20:18,930 just not realistic a scientific paradigm 1617 01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:21,240 may not give you the answers you're 1618 01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:24,060 looking for but if you're looking for 1619 01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,890 knowing about the intelligence you have 1620 01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,360 to interact with it and who's 1621 01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:30,480 interacting with it the experiences so 1622 01:20:35,950 --> 01:20:33,450 the national security state operatives 1623 01:20:40,190 --> 01:20:35,960 are going to interact with the 1624 01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:40,200 experiencers community my opinion is 1625 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:42,210 that the UFO intelligence is here to 1626 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:45,570 assist us their appearance over military 1627 01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:48,930 bases nuclear facilities we clear 1628 01:20:54,380 --> 01:20:51,780 weapons storage depots their 1629 01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:54,390 interference with tests of nuclear 1630 01:21:00,430 --> 01:20:56,820 weapons in terms of missile loss 1631 01:21:03,290 --> 01:21:00,440 launches all this indicates to me that 1632 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:03,300 UFO intelligence is very in 1633 01:21:06,710 --> 01:21:05,010 interested in the phenomena they're 1634 01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:06,720 willing to demonstrate their capability 1635 01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:08,700 of disabling missiles both in the United 1636 01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:11,250 States and the Soviet Union I interpret 1637 01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,610 that as a message saying we are playing 1638 01:21:19,940 --> 01:21:17,460 with very dangerous toys and this is the 1639 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:19,950 opinion of Robert Hastings who's written 1640 01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,690 a very important book which I think 1641 01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:23,280 everyone should go out and get it's 1642 01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:26,070 called UFOs and nukes if you have Amazon 1643 01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:30,510 Prime you can watch his videos UFOs and 1644 01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:33,030 nukes online well if you don't I 1645 01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:34,770 recommend that you pay the two or three 1646 01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:36,510 dollars whatever and see that very 1647 01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:39,660 important video it's a good documentary 1648 01:21:45,530 --> 01:21:42,540 it is an excellent documentary so we 1649 01:21:47,630 --> 01:21:45,540 have as a former peace and social 1650 01:21:49,940 --> 01:21:47,640 justice activist is someone who was 1651 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:49,950 demonstrating against the war in Vietnam 1652 01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:51,810 but before that demonstrating against 1653 01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:54,960 nuclear testing as I mentioned earlier 1654 01:21:59,900 --> 01:21:57,690 in the show and was part of a worldwide 1655 01:22:02,420 --> 01:21:59,910 effort to stop the pollution from 1656 01:22:07,780 --> 01:22:02,430 nuclear testing the appearance of UFOs 1657 01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:10,430 interfering with the technology that 1658 01:22:15,620 --> 01:22:12,540 from my point of view is not really a 1659 01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:15,630 weapon but more likely to should be seen 1660 01:22:19,850 --> 01:22:17,910 as an instrument of genocide that I 1661 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:19,860 imagined that UFO intelligence is a 1662 01:22:27,650 --> 01:22:25,010 potential ally for mankind during our 1663 01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:27,660 evolution into a world civilization 1664 01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:30,480 which in my opinion can only have peace 1665 01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,420 unless it's based on social justice so I 1666 01:22:38,060 --> 01:22:35,520 imagine that UFO intelligence can play a 1667 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:38,070 very progressive role in terms of a 1668 01:22:43,550 --> 01:22:41,130 historical struggle to unite the planet 1669 01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:43,560 sort of like what you saw in the movie 1670 01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:46,920 and television series Star Trek where 1671 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:51,060 people can end world hunger and 1672 01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,410 establish world peace and have adjust 1673 01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:57,120 world government based on cooperation 1674 01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:01,280 and that that would attract UFO 1675 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:03,510 intelligence in case of Star Trek the so 1676 01:23:08,420 --> 01:23:04,290 called ETS 1677 01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:08,430 and if humanity evolves to the point 1678 01:23:13,310 --> 01:23:10,500 where we can give up some of our warlike 1679 01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:13,320 ways we could join something if it 1680 01:23:16,910 --> 01:23:15,290 exists we don't know something like 1681 01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:16,920 Galactic Federation 1682 01:23:24,050 --> 01:23:20,190 of civilizations which people who are 1683 01:23:25,459 --> 01:23:24,060 experiences believe is it was real I I 1684 01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:25,469 can't speak about whether there's a 1685 01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:27,510 Galactic Federation or not but I know 1686 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:30,630 that the UFO intelligence the message is 1687 01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:34,010 a spiritual one in many cases 1688 01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:36,840 emphasizing oneness and unity and 1689 01:23:44,090 --> 01:23:39,679 cooperation ending nuclear testing 1690 01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:44,100 ending the assault on the environment 1691 01:23:48,649 --> 01:23:46,199 that is resulting in global warming 1692 01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:48,659 these are the messages that experiences 1693 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:50,340 are getting for me these are positive 1694 01:23:56,300 --> 01:23:54,090 progressive messages and my hope is that 1695 01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:56,310 higher levels of contact will occur as 1696 01:24:03,290 --> 01:23:59,940 we evolve to a world civilization based 1697 01:24:07,330 --> 01:24:03,300 on cooperation not on exploitation and 1698 01:24:10,820 --> 01:24:07,340 war do you have any reason to think that 1699 01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:10,830 this UFO phenomenon the intelligence 1700 01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:15,179 behind it is a multiple civilization 1701 01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:18,719 effort or yeah I think it's fairly 1702 01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:20,369 obvious you believe there's at least one 1703 01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:22,110 but do you have any reason to think that 1704 01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:24,600 there is more than one civilization 1705 01:24:31,070 --> 01:24:27,719 behind it you're asking some pretty 1706 01:24:32,899 --> 01:24:31,080 tough questions well they're asking you 1707 01:24:34,939 --> 01:24:32,909 to speculate then maybe I'm not sure 1708 01:24:37,609 --> 01:24:34,949 exactly where you're at on I have to say 1709 01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:37,619 that the intelligence 1710 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:39,540 counterintelligence model that I'm 1711 01:24:49,220 --> 01:24:45,690 promoting is is a different kind of a 1712 01:24:57,169 --> 01:24:49,230 paradigm it was first developed you know 1713 01:24:58,490 --> 01:24:57,179 70 20 22 years ago and the the the 1714 01:25:00,830 --> 01:24:58,500 strength of the Intelligence 1715 01:25:04,700 --> 01:25:00,840 counterintelligence model is that it 1716 01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,710 makes a sense as to why the government 1717 01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:06,840 is so interested in the UFO phenomena 1718 01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:09,600 they are approaching the UFOs as if it 1719 01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:12,420 were an enemy intelligence agency the 1720 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:15,840 contactees however in my judgment are 1721 01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:19,650 working as agents of influence well 1722 01:25:24,620 --> 01:25:22,920 within this intelligence model working 1723 01:25:26,899 --> 01:25:24,630 with shall we say a higher intelligence 1724 01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:26,909 agency this was a term that was coined 1725 01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:30,060 by Jacques Attali so because of my work 1726 01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:30,360 and 1727 01:25:36,919 --> 01:25:34,590 because of our problems that we had 1728 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:36,929 faced with infiltration by government 1729 01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:39,690 agents agent provocateurs that attempted 1730 01:25:45,530 --> 01:25:42,449 to take our students move in and and get 1731 01:25:48,859 --> 01:25:45,540 us all arrested we're doing doing things 1732 01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:48,869 that illegal acts is what agent 1733 01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:51,600 provocateurs do because of my concerns 1734 01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,960 about government infiltration into the 1735 01:25:59,689 --> 01:25:57,600 peace movements it's not surprising that 1736 01:26:03,919 --> 01:25:59,699 I would look at the intelligence 1737 01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:03,929 services with some distrust and I'm 1738 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:05,820 looking to the intelligence behind the 1739 01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,810 phenomena as a potential ally in what I 1740 01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:12,960 see as a historic struggle to transform 1741 01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:16,260 the planet and make the civilization 1742 01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:19,710 earth civilization worthy to engage in 1743 01:26:25,629 --> 01:26:23,340 whatever civilizations or a civilization 1744 01:26:31,220 --> 01:26:25,639 is out there you have to remember that 1745 01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:31,230 once you establish the illusory nature 1746 01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:33,900 of the contact mechanisms and this is 1747 01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:35,159 what I've done with the virtual 1748 01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:38,449 experience hypothesis I've proposed that 1749 01:26:44,899 --> 01:26:42,060 some many most but not all sightings of 1750 01:26:46,820 --> 01:26:44,909 UFOs are like those shooting stars by 1751 01:26:49,459 --> 01:26:46,830 the way field investigators in the 1752 01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:49,469 contact network are reporting a variety 1753 01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:51,270 of Manama live shooting stars that do 1754 01:26:55,700 --> 01:26:54,150 things that shouldn't do like they will 1755 01:26:57,979 --> 01:26:55,710 shooting stars that move in a zigzag 1756 01:27:00,740 --> 01:26:57,989 pattern for shooting stars that are 1757 01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:00,750 incredibly bright during the full moon 1758 01:27:05,959 --> 01:27:03,090 that can be seen traveling along the 1759 01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:05,969 horizon they are horizontally for for 1760 01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:09,840 many sections many seconds minutes 1761 01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:11,820 across these are not shooting stars 1762 01:27:19,700 --> 01:27:14,630 these are anomalous visual displays and 1763 01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:19,710 in my judgment we should not be so 1764 01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:22,860 self-centered there are reasons why an 1765 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:24,690 intelligence behind the phenomena would 1766 01:27:31,580 --> 01:27:29,130 like to expose themselves using an 1767 01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:31,590 omlette us place because they are under 1768 01:27:38,060 --> 01:27:35,040 attack numerous reports have occurred 1769 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:38,070 from pilots describing arming their gun 1770 01:27:43,380 --> 01:27:41,610 and gun guns firing at the UFOs and 1771 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:43,390 attempts to shoot them down 1772 01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:45,730 and one of the it's been speculated that 1773 01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:48,850 the UFO crash in Roswell occurred when 1774 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:51,580 very powerful radar stations were turned 1775 01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:54,610 on in New Mexico in 1947 as part of the 1776 01:28:00,540 --> 01:27:58,000 United States nuclear weapons program so 1777 01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:00,550 UFOs are under attack there's a book 1778 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:03,730 written called shoot them down it's it's 1779 01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:05,530 likely that some extraterrestrials have 1780 01:28:12,930 --> 01:28:09,520 been captured and some have even perhaps 1781 01:28:14,670 --> 01:28:12,940 been dissected by the military and this 1782 01:28:18,810 --> 01:28:14,680 if you follow the very disturbing 1783 01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:18,820 reports that have been coming out on 1784 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:24,550 Gaia from the close associate of dr. 1785 01:28:29,970 --> 01:28:27,970 Greer I'm blocking on his name every 1786 01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:29,980 Smith every Smith that's right 1787 01:28:34,850 --> 01:28:32,470 every Smith has described working as a 1788 01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:34,860 technician in an underground base where 1789 01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:38,470 non-human possibly extraterrestrials are 1790 01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:41,170 being studied biologically and press 1791 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:44,530 being dissected so so if you're an 1792 01:28:49,470 --> 01:28:46,570 intelligence flying over hostile 1793 01:28:51,420 --> 01:28:49,480 territory which would you rather do run 1794 01:28:53,550 --> 01:28:51,430 the risk of that your craft is shot down 1795 01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:53,560 your crews killed perhaps captured and 1796 01:28:58,890 --> 01:28:56,890 perhaps even tortured or would you 1797 01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:58,900 rather create an anomalous visual 1798 01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:00,880 display that looks like a flying saucer 1799 01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:03,760 that's a holographic like technology so 1800 01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:05,800 that you can alert people to their to 1801 01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:07,630 their presence to your presence if 1802 01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:09,790 you're in a team without having the risk 1803 01:29:17,820 --> 01:29:13,090 of being picked up on radar and being 1804 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:17,830 shot down so so I think that we should 1805 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:20,890 look at these radical notions virtual 1806 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:24,010 experienced hypotheses from the 1807 01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:25,930 perspective of perhaps an advanced 1808 01:29:31,170 --> 01:29:28,960 civilization that is physical and 1809 01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:31,180 doesn't you know the right to 1810 01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:35,260 self-defense is certainly yeah and the 1811 01:29:42,030 --> 01:29:39,970 right to to live is something that we 1812 01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:42,040 every being in the universe can 1813 01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:45,280 understand and I suspect that UFO 1814 01:29:50,430 --> 01:29:47,970 intelligence using a wide range of sight 1815 01:29:53,310 --> 01:29:50,440 psychic means to interact with us 1816 01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:53,320 because of their own special needs 1817 01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:57,370 and so that's why I promote the 1818 01:30:01,170 --> 01:29:58,260 Intelligence counterintelligence 1819 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:01,180 paradigm because I essentially see UFO 1820 01:30:05,630 --> 01:30:03,970 intelligence as an ally of humanity to 1821 01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:05,640 assist us during this period of 1822 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:09,460 transformation we will be one planet one 1823 01:30:15,810 --> 01:30:12,010 people or if we continue in our warlike 1824 01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:15,820 ways will be no no people on a destroyed 1825 01:30:25,770 --> 01:30:22,930 planet got it James yeah baby oh go 1826 01:30:28,230 --> 01:30:25,780 ahead yeah getting back to some 1827 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:28,240 discussions before we you know grant 1828 01:30:33,480 --> 01:30:29,890 Cameron discusses the similarities 1829 01:30:36,030 --> 01:30:33,490 between dr. Greer and Tom DeLonge and 1830 01:30:39,470 --> 01:30:36,040 it's interesting to note that they both 1831 01:30:42,510 --> 01:30:39,480 almost have two separate messages 1832 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:42,520 dr. career promoting you know the 1833 01:30:47,340 --> 01:30:44,650 positive contact and and peaceful 1834 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:47,350 extraterrestrials and Tom DeLonge with 1835 01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:51,130 his his coal cargo theory suggesting 1836 01:30:56,820 --> 01:30:53,230 that whatever is behind the UFO 1837 01:30:58,770 --> 01:30:56,830 phenomenon is mysterious and elusive and 1838 01:31:05,330 --> 01:30:58,780 has been manipulating mankind for so 1839 01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:05,340 long let's let's talk about manipulation 1840 01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:11,920 yeah I recently was given the 1841 01:31:18,930 --> 01:31:15,730 opportunity to interview people were 1842 01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:18,940 part of the free study with Preston 1843 01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:20,790 tenet we've written a chapter for 1844 01:31:24,300 --> 01:31:22,450 foundation for research into 1845 01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:24,310 extraterrestrials encounters they're 1846 01:31:29,090 --> 01:31:26,320 gonna have a book coming out sometime in 1847 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:29,100 the next year called beyond UFOs and 1848 01:31:37,530 --> 01:31:33,610 they circulated three three thousand or 1849 01:31:39,630 --> 01:31:37,540 plus experiences and replies describing 1850 01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:39,640 people's contact experiences a large 1851 01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:41,500 number of people claimed to have 1852 01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:43,930 experienced healings and I've got a 1853 01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:47,410 chance to interview several of the 1854 01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:49,330 people from the free study and that was 1855 01:31:54,540 --> 01:31:50,950 the basis of our chapter that pressed 1856 01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:54,550 antennae and I wrote and will here in 1857 01:32:00,090 --> 01:31:56,770 the book well the awful intelligence you 1858 01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:00,100 know if they were out to manipulate us 1859 01:32:05,460 --> 01:32:02,560 and hurt us and what you know why do 1860 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:05,470 they carry out what appear to be 1861 01:32:10,819 --> 01:32:06,570 miraculous like he 1862 01:32:14,089 --> 01:32:10,829 on selected individuals in terms of the 1863 01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:14,099 overall thrust of the free study the 1864 01:32:18,979 --> 01:32:15,960 overwhelming majority of experiencers 1865 01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:18,989 say it was a positive experience that it 1866 01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:22,170 enhanced their sense of spirituality and 1867 01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:25,320 they would not trade their contact 1868 01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:27,090 experience they would not want it to 1869 01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:29,510 stop there is a small number of people 1870 01:32:37,879 --> 01:32:34,170 about 10% who did not have a positive 1871 01:32:39,140 --> 01:32:37,889 contact experience and about a 4% say it 1872 01:32:41,390 --> 01:32:39,150 was the worst thing that ever happened 1873 01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:41,400 to them so although people are having 1874 01:32:45,859 --> 01:32:43,050 these encounters and some people are 1875 01:32:48,669 --> 01:32:45,869 being traumatized psychologically and 1876 01:32:51,140 --> 01:32:48,679 there are physical interactions as well 1877 01:32:52,939 --> 01:32:51,150 the majority of people who are having 1878 01:32:55,879 --> 01:32:52,949 interactions appears to be quite 1879 01:32:59,020 --> 01:32:55,889 positive so I would say that the 1880 01:33:03,770 --> 01:32:59,030 intelligence behind the phenomenon is is 1881 01:33:07,339 --> 01:33:03,780 not the kind of evil demonic or 1882 01:33:13,069 --> 01:33:07,349 manipulative force that people like tom 1883 01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:13,079 toms along are saying it is however we 1884 01:33:17,169 --> 01:33:15,690 could be wrong and the only way we're 1885 01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:17,179 gonna find out who and what the 1886 01:33:22,490 --> 01:33:19,380 extraterrestrials are is to go out and 1887 01:33:25,010 --> 01:33:22,500 meet them to engage them and as a 1888 01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:25,020 contact activist I haven't been doing 1889 01:33:30,379 --> 01:33:27,090 much fieldwork recently but for the 20 1890 01:33:31,819 --> 01:33:30,389 years now in my seventh decade of life 1891 01:33:34,430 --> 01:33:31,829 and you know I'm getting old and it's 1892 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:34,440 kind of hard to stand out all night and 1893 01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:37,650 cold and wind and you got a backache and 1894 01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:40,050 arthritis their arthritis and you know 1895 01:33:45,589 --> 01:33:41,880 get old you can't do the work as much 1896 01:33:49,490 --> 01:33:45,599 but for the 20 or 20 or 25 years of 1897 01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:49,500 contact work that when I was active we 1898 01:33:55,069 --> 01:33:51,420 we had numerous occasions when these 1899 01:33:57,859 --> 01:33:55,079 crafts were holographic projections if 1900 01:33:59,359 --> 01:33:57,869 that's what they were these crafts were 1901 01:34:01,700 --> 01:33:59,369 within a few hundred yards of our 1902 01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:01,710 position and no one on our team has ever 1903 01:34:08,450 --> 01:34:06,000 been abducted or hurt during these 1904 01:34:10,819 --> 01:34:08,460 encounters and this included a wave of 1905 01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:10,829 encounters that involved missing time 1906 01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:14,250 that's true swept across this ce-5 1907 01:34:22,340 --> 01:34:20,130 network in 1993 where you had people in 1908 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:22,350 three different cities across the 1909 01:34:29,450 --> 01:34:26,610 western United States in Denver in Los 1910 01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:29,460 Angeles and then in Phoenix in the 1911 01:34:34,459 --> 01:34:32,250 course of a month in three different 1912 01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:34,469 locations contact activists contact 1913 01:34:41,180 --> 01:34:38,639 workers had missing time and it was very 1914 01:34:43,729 --> 01:34:41,190 coordinated it was quite remarkable and 1915 01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:43,739 it was an attempt to show us that you 1916 01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:47,400 can have missing time but not suffer any 1917 01:35:02,090 --> 01:34:56,149 there was a prominent artists in the was 1918 01:35:05,860 --> 01:35:02,100 a friend of friend of sherry adamak who 1919 01:35:08,990 --> 01:35:05,870 was part of her contact team and he in 1920 01:35:13,459 --> 01:35:09,000 the just Sam was right after 1921 01:35:18,110 --> 01:35:13,469 Thanksgiving in 1993 he received the 1922 01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:18,120 book that he was asked to review as many 1923 01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:21,090 artists are asked their prominent has to 1924 01:35:25,879 --> 01:35:24,000 review art books so he got a book he was 1925 01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:25,889 reviewing it in his home and all of a 1926 01:35:31,970 --> 01:35:28,530 sudden he lost an hour that was in 1927 01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:31,980 Denver that was number one a couple 1928 01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:34,980 weeks later I was with my coworker Misha 1929 01:35:40,580 --> 01:35:36,510 we were driving back from a field 1930 01:35:43,129 --> 01:35:40,590 investigation there was it was the day 1931 01:35:48,169 --> 01:35:43,139 after Christmas and as we were driving 1932 01:35:51,020 --> 01:35:48,179 back through the highway 62 on it's a 1933 01:35:52,459 --> 01:35:51,030 kind of in a ravine that the highway 1934 01:35:54,740 --> 01:35:52,469 goes through this ravine where the rock 1935 01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:54,750 face of the rain comes right down to the 1936 01:36:00,200 --> 01:35:57,840 side of the road my coworker said that 1937 01:36:02,090 --> 01:36:00,210 there was a light following us I learned 1938 01:36:04,939 --> 01:36:02,100 turned around I couldn't see it because 1939 01:36:08,180 --> 01:36:04,949 the road was serpent you know serpentine 1940 01:36:10,250 --> 01:36:08,190 kept going around curves he said there's 1941 01:36:12,620 --> 01:36:10,260 a light behind us we've got to stop 1942 01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:12,630 we stopped the vehicle finally just as 1943 01:36:22,970 --> 01:36:16,320 we had emerged from the from the highway 1944 01:36:28,129 --> 01:36:22,980 62 pass and we see all of a sudden in 1945 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:28,139 the sky multiple lights and it was 5:00 1946 01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:30,570 in the morning it was dark and I said 1947 01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:32,310 this is strange a day after Christmas 1948 01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:33,900 what are all these private planes 1949 01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:38,239 flying around what does it mean and then 1950 01:36:44,450 --> 01:36:42,239 we saw this red light on the top of a 1951 01:36:47,780 --> 01:36:44,460 hillside that we had driven past that 1952 01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:47,790 spot a dozen times and I had never seen 1953 01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,060 a red light and the hillside seemed 1954 01:36:55,700 --> 01:36:53,280 incredibly large compared to what we had 1955 01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:55,710 experienced driving into the past in 1956 01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,040 previous investigations this pill scythe 1957 01:37:03,169 --> 01:37:01,199 looked like it was not about a hundred 1958 01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:03,179 feet high or less it looked like it was 1959 01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:04,770 400 feet high it looked like it was a 1960 01:37:09,620 --> 01:37:07,080 skyscraper I mean it was so tall this 1961 01:37:11,450 --> 01:37:09,630 hill that it went up hundreds and 1962 01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:11,460 hundreds of feet and on top of it was a 1963 01:37:19,550 --> 01:37:15,600 red light we saw this as we came to a 1964 01:37:21,770 --> 01:37:19,560 stop and I signaled at the light because 1965 01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,780 we had our Leipzig oohs with us and 1966 01:37:27,110 --> 01:37:24,239 something very strange happened as the 1967 01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:27,120 light hit the hillside instead of 1968 01:37:32,510 --> 01:37:30,719 reflecting black back and seeing the 1969 01:37:36,050 --> 01:37:32,520 rock face was the boulders and the 1970 01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:36,060 chaparral the hillside dissolved as if 1971 01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,790 it was made out of mist the beam of the 1972 01:37:43,790 --> 01:37:41,040 light hit the hillside and instead of 1973 01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:43,800 seeing the hillside is we saw a mist and 1974 01:37:50,300 --> 01:37:47,520 it dissolved meanwhile we're on the side 1975 01:37:55,610 --> 01:37:50,310 of the road waiting for whatever was 1976 01:37:58,399 --> 01:37:55,620 behind us to pass whether a car or UFO 1977 01:38:02,090 --> 01:37:58,409 or whatever and all of a sudden in the 1978 01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:02,100 distance over Palm Springs a very bright 1979 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:06,719 light is coming out towards us I said I 1980 01:38:11,209 --> 01:38:08,810 was thinking wow it must be a Lear jet 1981 01:38:12,890 --> 01:38:11,219 somebody you know commercial flights 1982 01:38:15,110 --> 01:38:12,900 aren't flying the day after Christmas 1983 01:38:17,540 --> 01:38:15,120 Adam Palm Springs at five or six in the 1984 01:38:21,649 --> 01:38:17,550 morning and this very bright light is 1985 01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:21,659 coming at us tremendously fast the next 1986 01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:24,090 thing I know Misha is complaining it's 1987 01:38:32,930 --> 01:38:30,780 freezing it's cold and he says Joe roll 1988 01:38:34,820 --> 01:38:32,940 the window up now you should never 1989 01:38:37,250 --> 01:38:34,830 complain of coal is from Russia and we'd 1990 01:38:38,689 --> 01:38:37,260 be running around with heavy winter your 1991 01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,699 survival gear and because of his 1992 01:38:42,620 --> 01:38:40,560 experience in Russia he'd be running 1993 01:38:45,110 --> 01:38:42,630 around a light jacket so he never 1994 01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,120 complained of cold and all of a sudden I 1995 01:38:50,770 --> 01:38:46,880 felt there was something wrong I 1996 01:38:53,260 --> 01:38:50,780 I felt stunned or days.we then we 1997 01:38:56,050 --> 01:38:53,270 without waiting to find out what was 1998 01:38:58,690 --> 01:38:56,060 behind us or investigating the light on 1999 01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:58,700 top of the hillside or the light that 2000 01:39:04,690 --> 01:39:01,760 was very bright and had just seemed like 2001 01:39:06,970 --> 01:39:04,700 moments ago was shooting towards us we 2002 01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:06,980 got into our car and started driving and 2003 01:39:12,250 --> 01:39:10,490 I remember the looking to the east and 2004 01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,260 the Sun was starting to rise and it was 2005 01:39:18,190 --> 01:39:14,000 very beautiful 2006 01:39:20,650 --> 01:39:18,200 Christene desert and all of a sudden the 2007 01:39:23,410 --> 01:39:20,660 Sun was high in the sky and I felt like 2008 01:39:26,020 --> 01:39:23,420 I had been on highway 62 forever we lost 2009 01:39:27,970 --> 01:39:26,030 about an hour to an hour of half on a 2010 01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:27,980 stretch of road that at 60 miles an hour 2011 01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:30,230 she could only take about ten minutes to 2012 01:39:36,130 --> 01:39:33,650 cover we were still on that highway 62 2013 01:39:38,290 --> 01:39:36,140 we had had missing time that was Los 2014 01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:38,300 Angeles that was the second missing time 2015 01:39:44,230 --> 01:39:41,600 experience in the network the third 2016 01:39:47,020 --> 01:39:44,240 occurred a few days later when Wayne 2017 01:39:49,630 --> 01:39:47,030 Peterson had seven investigators out in 2018 01:39:54,690 --> 01:39:49,640 the field with him outside of Phoenix 2019 01:40:00,910 --> 01:39:57,760 very remote location and the to stay 2020 01:40:03,790 --> 01:40:00,920 warm was down into the high 30s and they 2021 01:40:06,010 --> 01:40:03,800 were there together talking about the 2022 01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:06,020 sighting that they had had and all of a 2023 01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:08,330 sudden the fire which had been very 2024 01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:13,040 bright and very large all of a sudden it 2025 01:40:19,450 --> 01:40:15,650 was now embers and they had lost about 2026 01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:19,460 an hour of time all of them seven people 2027 01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:22,370 out in the field they then crossed to 2028 01:40:25,780 --> 01:40:23,690 their vehicles that were a couple of 2029 01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:25,790 hundred yards away and they remember 2030 01:40:31,330 --> 01:40:28,340 standing around their vehicles just 2031 01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:31,340 talking about what the sightings and the 2032 01:40:36,730 --> 01:40:33,970 contact work and all of a sudden another 2033 01:40:40,270 --> 01:40:36,740 missing time event occurred was an hour 2034 01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:40,280 later so they had double missing time so 2035 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:45,170 think about it one person in the in 2036 01:40:50,860 --> 01:40:48,010 Phoenix and ensure one person in Denver 2037 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:50,870 two people Misha and I in Los Angeles 2038 01:40:56,230 --> 01:40:53,930 and seven people have not one but two 2039 01:40:59,190 --> 01:40:56,240 episodes of missing time now this is 2040 01:41:01,230 --> 01:40:59,200 significant because it was staged 2041 01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:01,240 I have to point out that when dr. Steven 2042 01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:04,150 Greer initiated the cv5 Network he 2043 01:41:09,390 --> 01:41:06,000 traveled around the country to many 2044 01:41:12,540 --> 01:41:09,400 locations giving lectures attempting to 2045 01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:12,550 start contact teams the first team was 2046 01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:17,170 formed in Denver in 1991 the second team 2047 01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:22,510 was follow was followed but in it was 2048 01:41:28,290 --> 01:41:25,990 August of 1992 my team in Los Angeles 2049 01:41:31,170 --> 01:41:28,300 and the third team in December of 1992 2050 01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:31,180 was formed in Phoenix so the 2051 01:41:37,140 --> 01:41:33,970 intelligence was staging these missing 2052 01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:37,150 time experiences each time more people 2053 01:41:42,450 --> 01:41:39,420 had the experience and it followed the 2054 01:41:45,420 --> 01:41:42,460 organizational development of our 2055 01:41:48,540 --> 01:41:45,430 network first starting in Denver second 2056 01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:48,550 in Los Angeles and then the third is 2057 01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:51,280 Phoenix so this gives you an example of 2058 01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:54,370 the tremendous side capability of the 2059 01:41:58,740 --> 01:41:56,260 intelligence behind the phenomena and 2060 01:42:02,130 --> 01:41:58,750 their willingness to in this kind of 2061 01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:02,140 subtle indirect way established in my 2062 01:42:06,180 --> 01:42:03,730 mind at least that they know quite a bit 2063 01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:06,190 about the ce-5 Network and are working 2064 01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:13,210 with us directly that's that's what some 2065 01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,310 of the high points of our contact work I 2066 01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:17,440 have so many more other stories to share 2067 01:42:22,890 --> 01:42:19,750 I know we're getting close to the end of 2068 01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:22,900 our interview I'm hoping that this 2069 01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:25,420 information has been informative and I'm 2070 01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:27,370 hoping that you guys will invite me back 2071 01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:31,090 as well because I just scratched it the 2072 01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:34,000 super superficial aspects I'm just this 2073 01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:35,440 is just the tip of the iceberg when it 2074 01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:37,840 comes well you know UFO intelligence 2075 01:42:43,670 --> 01:42:41,260 stage those interactions with us we had 2076 01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:43,680 missing time 2077 01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:46,420 Misha reported to me that he had 2078 01:42:54,090 --> 01:42:48,010 spontaneous recall of an onboard 2079 01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:54,100 experience several days after our our 2080 01:42:59,760 --> 01:42:56,280 missing time experience in December of 2081 01:43:03,780 --> 01:42:59,770 1993 I did not remember anything I just 2082 01:43:05,610 --> 01:43:03,790 remember being stunned and losing an 2083 01:43:07,190 --> 01:43:05,620 hour an hour half of time and the brick 2084 01:43:11,250 --> 01:43:07,200 and the continuity of my consciousness 2085 01:43:12,990 --> 01:43:11,260 but this intelligence is cooperative in 2086 01:43:14,940 --> 01:43:13,000 terms of the ce-5 Network 2087 01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:14,950 the work that the Brahma people are 2088 01:43:22,770 --> 01:43:17,890 doing it's it's friendly it's not 2089 01:43:24,420 --> 01:43:22,780 harmful and my in my judgment it's going 2090 01:43:28,740 --> 01:43:24,430 to play a very important role in 2091 01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:28,750 inspiring humanity to save ourselves 2092 01:43:34,110 --> 01:43:31,690 I don't think UFO intelligence is our 2093 01:43:37,170 --> 01:43:34,120 Savior we the people of Earth are going 2094 01:43:39,900 --> 01:43:37,180 to have to stop war and create a world 2095 01:43:41,220 --> 01:43:39,910 government based on social justice this 2096 01:43:44,940 --> 01:43:41,230 is a struggle that's going to unfold 2097 01:43:47,340 --> 01:43:44,950 over not decades but perhaps generations 2098 01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:47,350 or even centuries but this phenomena has 2099 01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:49,360 been with us for a very long time if 2100 01:43:54,750 --> 01:43:52,660 they were out to destroy us what's 2101 01:43:57,500 --> 01:43:54,760 taking it so long if they're out to 2102 01:44:01,800 --> 01:43:57,510 invade UFOs have been described not only 2103 01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:01,810 by sources from antiquity we're talking 2104 01:44:06,210 --> 01:44:03,610 about the great civilisations of Egypt 2105 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:06,220 and Rome Greece oh that I described 2106 01:44:11,940 --> 01:44:08,890 would sound like UFO encounters but even 2107 01:44:14,340 --> 01:44:11,950 in the cave paintings in southern France 2108 01:44:16,590 --> 01:44:14,350 and in northern Spain that go back 2109 01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:16,600 twenty thirty thousand years ago there 2110 01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:20,110 are cave pictures written drawn that 2111 01:44:23,670 --> 01:44:21,910 appear to show what we would now 2112 01:44:26,820 --> 01:44:23,680 describe as extraterrestrial beings 2113 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:26,830 an extraterrestrial saucer-like craft so 2114 01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:28,570 this is an ancient phenomenon if they're 2115 01:44:33,300 --> 01:44:31,270 after hurt us what's taking so long I 2116 01:44:35,100 --> 01:44:33,310 think the more likely explanation is 2117 01:44:38,190 --> 01:44:35,110 that they have been here for a very long 2118 01:44:39,810 --> 01:44:38,200 time observing our civilization and as 2119 01:44:43,110 --> 01:44:39,820 it's developed and are now showing 2120 01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:43,120 themselves at a very critical Junction 2121 01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:46,770 when we can either live in peace in 2122 01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:50,110 cooperation with with ourselves or we 2123 01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:51,370 will destroy the planet in a 2124 01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:54,160 never-ending cycle of war global 2125 01:45:01,830 --> 01:44:58,570 catastrophe and starvation and ruin so 2126 01:45:04,260 --> 01:45:01,840 we have a choice we can be inspired by 2127 01:45:06,540 --> 01:45:04,270 the UFOs to save ourselves because let's 2128 01:45:09,210 --> 01:45:06,550 face it the amount of energy that is 2129 01:45:11,250 --> 01:45:09,220 required to either move through 2130 01:45:12,990 --> 01:45:11,260 dimensions if they are interdimensional 2131 01:45:16,350 --> 01:45:13,000 or from other star systems if they're 2132 01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:16,360 extra travel that power the energy to do 2133 01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:21,280 such amazing feats if that power was 2134 01:45:25,770 --> 01:45:22,960 developed in a civilization that was 2135 01:45:26,729 --> 01:45:25,780 warlike it seems in my opinion more 2136 01:45:28,350 --> 01:45:26,739 likely they're not they would have 2137 01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:28,360 destroyed themselves as we threatened to 2138 01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:32,050 destroy ourselves so so long ago they 2139 01:45:35,310 --> 01:45:33,520 would never have gotten out into the 2140 01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:35,320 Stars they never would have been able to 2141 01:45:40,140 --> 01:45:37,690 get here unless they were peaceful and 2142 01:45:41,819 --> 01:45:40,150 they've passed the test of time they've 2143 01:45:46,620 --> 01:45:41,829 been here for tens of thousands of years 2144 01:45:49,140 --> 01:45:46,630 and they have not created scenarios like 2145 01:45:51,810 --> 01:45:49,150 the typical Hollywood movie where the 2146 01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:51,820 aliens are engaging us and for me this 2147 01:45:55,319 --> 01:45:53,050 is very important 2148 01:45:57,839 --> 01:45:55,329 personally it's important because during 2149 01:45:59,370 --> 01:45:57,849 the physicians anti-nuclear movement 2150 01:46:01,859 --> 01:45:59,380 back in the eighties before I got 2151 01:46:04,890 --> 01:46:01,869 involved with the contact network you 2152 01:46:07,290 --> 01:46:04,900 know we would describe what in one 2153 01:46:09,299 --> 01:46:07,300 Megaton nuclear bomb could do to a 2154 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:09,309 typical city and we talked we talked to 2155 01:46:13,859 --> 01:46:11,530 Russian doctors they gave this 2156 01:46:15,870 --> 01:46:13,869 information out on Russian television we 2157 01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:15,880 taught went to England we shared this 2158 01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:17,920 information about the dangers of the 2159 01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:20,530 nuclear arms race and the head of our 2160 01:46:27,660 --> 01:46:23,130 anti-nuclear movement a very passionate 2161 01:46:32,189 --> 01:46:27,670 articulate physician her name 2162 01:46:34,379 --> 01:46:32,199 dr. Helen Caldicott she would cute by 2163 01:46:36,689 --> 01:46:34,389 the way was also responsible for leading 2164 01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:36,699 the effort in Australia to end nuclear 2165 01:46:40,260 --> 01:46:39,130 testing in the South Pacific when she 2166 01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:40,270 came to the United States and got a 2167 01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:43,570 teaching position at Harvard she formed 2168 01:46:48,660 --> 01:46:46,960 of reactivated I should say physicians 2169 01:46:52,279 --> 01:46:48,670 for Social Responsibility and during her 2170 01:46:57,299 --> 01:46:52,289 presentations she asked the question 2171 01:47:00,750 --> 01:46:57,309 basically what can you say about a race 2172 01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:00,760 of beings that have millions of children 2173 01:47:07,850 --> 01:47:03,960 dying of preventable disease lack of it 2174 01:47:10,770 --> 01:47:07,860 immunization starvation malnutrition 2175 01:47:13,049 --> 01:47:10,780 what do you say about race of beings 2176 01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:13,059 were tens of millions of children die 2177 01:47:22,169 --> 01:47:18,489 unnecessarily every single year and we 2178 01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:22,179 spend trillions of dollars of our wealth 2179 01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:25,690 on weaponry including nuclear weapons 2180 01:47:30,859 --> 01:47:28,480 that threaten to end our civilization if 2181 01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:30,869 all the nuclear weapons went off in a 2182 01:47:36,820 --> 01:47:34,719 cataclysm of warfare what can you say 2183 01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:36,830 about a race of beings that 2184 01:47:42,700 --> 01:47:39,890 is so full of fear and hatred they are 2185 01:47:47,860 --> 01:47:42,710 planning to commit genocide against 2186 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:47,870 ourselves and so she said that kind of 2187 01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:50,330 behavior of bespeaks of a profound 2188 01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:53,330 hatred hatred of ourselves of our 2189 01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:56,960 children and she postulated that if 2190 01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,320 there were a creator god herself god 2191 01:48:05,650 --> 01:48:03,440 itself it expresses a hatred of God 2192 01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:05,660 himself that we if we are the only 2193 01:48:10,510 --> 01:48:07,730 source of intelligent life in the 2194 01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:10,520 universe and we are perhaps God's 2195 01:48:15,340 --> 01:48:12,800 greatest creation that were willingness 2196 01:48:20,140 --> 01:48:15,350 to engage in behaviors that could 2197 01:48:24,610 --> 01:48:20,150 threaten to destroy humanity it bespeaks 2198 01:48:29,050 --> 01:48:24,620 of a hatred of the Creator God him/her 2199 01:48:32,620 --> 01:48:29,060 itself so that that message resonated 2200 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:32,630 very powerfully with me and spurred me 2201 01:48:39,820 --> 01:48:36,970 to become a contact activist and when in 2202 01:48:43,860 --> 01:48:39,830 1993 I was with dr. Steven Greer and 2203 01:48:47,110 --> 01:48:43,870 four other investigators at the base of 2204 01:48:50,980 --> 01:48:47,120 Popocatepetl volcano which was a hotbed 2205 01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:50,990 of UFO activity still is and we had a 2206 01:48:59,520 --> 01:48:53,840 five day mission there hmm 2207 01:49:03,850 --> 01:48:59,530 on February 1st 11 o'clock at 11:50 a 2208 01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:03,860 large UFO was sighted moving between the 2209 01:49:08,230 --> 01:49:06,530 volcanoes was triangular-shaped dr. 2210 01:49:10,660 --> 01:49:08,240 Greer signaled added it changed his 2211 01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:10,670 direction from moving between the 2212 01:49:16,030 --> 01:49:12,650 volcanoes and came directly towards us 2213 01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:16,040 as it approached dr. Greer used the 2214 01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:18,080 signal lantern yes the light bazooka 2215 01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:20,810 fired away but not for war or for peace 2216 01:49:26,620 --> 01:49:24,800 and the UFO which was large triangular a 2217 01:49:28,300 --> 01:49:26,630 couple of hundred feet across it blacked 2218 01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:28,310 out the stars as it moved silently 2219 01:49:34,300 --> 01:49:31,910 towards it signaled back and as I saw 2220 01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:34,310 this object coming towards us all I 2221 01:49:42,940 --> 01:49:37,970 could think of was yes you know we are 2222 01:49:47,980 --> 01:49:42,950 not alone in the universe and I thought 2223 01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:47,990 perhaps that even if we had had even if 2224 01:49:52,919 --> 01:49:49,840 we were so foolish as 2225 01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:52,929 to destroy ourselves in nuclear war and 2226 01:49:56,850 --> 01:49:54,880 destroy our civilization the fact that 2227 01:49:58,740 --> 01:49:56,860 we're not alone in the universe means 2228 01:50:00,330 --> 01:49:58,750 that whatever the source of that 2229 01:50:03,089 --> 01:50:00,340 intelligence behind the phenomena 2230 01:50:05,220 --> 01:50:03,099 extraterrestrial presumably that we 2231 01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:05,230 would not be forgotten that all the 2232 01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:08,290 music and the art and the poetry and the 2233 01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:09,730 the highest achievements of our 2234 01:50:16,410 --> 01:50:13,690 civilization would be preserved so worse 2235 01:50:18,930 --> 01:50:16,420 than annihilation is the end of 2236 01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:18,940 remembrance the act of remembering so I 2237 01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:20,800 said we're not alone in the universe 2238 01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:23,110 if these extraterrestrials can get here 2239 01:50:27,660 --> 01:50:25,599 crosses a sea of stars assumably after 2240 01:50:30,180 --> 01:50:27,670 peaceful development of a very long time 2241 01:50:33,810 --> 01:50:30,190 then we too can choose the path of peace 2242 01:50:36,379 --> 01:50:33,820 and cooperation and that's why I've been 2243 01:50:38,850 --> 01:50:36,389 doing this work for the last 25 years 2244 01:50:41,820 --> 01:50:38,860 getting kind of old to do field work but 2245 01:50:43,709 --> 01:50:41,830 I in my writings I share the information 2246 01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:43,719 with the contact network which hopefully 2247 01:50:48,570 --> 01:50:45,489 someday will become a real social 2248 01:50:51,330 --> 01:50:48,580 movement and will link the the presence 2249 01:50:52,740 --> 01:50:51,340 of UFOs to possible solutions to the 2250 01:50:55,979 --> 01:50:52,750 fundamental challenges that our 2251 01:50:59,970 --> 01:50:55,989 civilization is facing after all if 2252 01:51:02,160 --> 01:50:59,980 these extraterrestrials have some access 2253 01:51:04,020 --> 01:51:02,170 to what's called free energy we could 2254 01:51:06,300 --> 01:51:04,030 use the free energy under peaceful 2255 01:51:08,129 --> 01:51:06,310 conditions not in our current state but 2256 01:51:10,770 --> 01:51:08,139 that the in tremendous energy that is 2257 01:51:13,890 --> 01:51:10,780 used to propel UFOs could be used for 2258 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:13,900 desalinization to make the deserts bloom 2259 01:51:20,189 --> 01:51:17,290 and feed our growing populations we 2260 01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:20,199 could end poverty and have development 2261 01:51:27,140 --> 01:51:23,409 based on non polluting technologies and 2262 01:51:29,879 --> 01:51:27,150 if the extraterrestrials are engaged in 2263 01:51:32,129 --> 01:51:29,889 contact as a result of highly 2264 01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:32,139 cooperative and peaceful developments 2265 01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:33,489 within their civilizations they can 2266 01:51:40,890 --> 01:51:37,810 serve as an example to us of what we can 2267 01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:40,900 do perhaps we - like in the fantasy Star 2268 01:51:47,250 --> 01:51:43,360 Trek can get out into the stars if we 2269 01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,260 choose wisely and and choose not to take 2270 01:51:51,419 --> 01:51:49,840 the nuclear end the Holocaust that would 2271 01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,429 destroy our civilization and is 2272 01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:53,440 threatened by the tens of thousands of 2273 01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:55,840 nuclear weapons that still exist within 2274 01:51:59,370 --> 01:51:57,010 the nuclear arsenals 2275 01:52:02,459 --> 01:51:59,380 of unfortunately an increasing number of 2276 01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:02,469 nations so for me there's a direct link 2277 01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:03,310 but 2278 01:52:10,260 --> 01:52:04,810 the struggle for peace and social 2279 01:52:13,260 --> 01:52:10,270 justice and global warming - to preserve 2280 01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:13,270 the planet and the UFO phenomena they 2281 01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:16,690 won't save us as dr. Greer said UFO well 2282 01:52:20,190 --> 01:52:18,250 he gives the word extraterrestrial 2283 01:52:21,090 --> 01:52:20,200 intelligence he says there are neither 2284 01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,100 Darth Vador 2285 01:52:26,490 --> 01:52:23,920 here to destroy us or Jesus Christ in a 2286 01:52:28,590 --> 01:52:26,500 spaceship here to save us but I think 2287 01:52:31,490 --> 01:52:28,600 they can't inspire us to save ourselves 2288 01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:31,500 and that's why I'm so grateful that 2289 01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:34,810 fellow contact activists have this UFO 2290 01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:38,170 and hem the UFO network news news 2291 01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:38,770 network 2292 01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:42,610 - to share the perspective of the 2293 01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:46,150 contact network and the contact which 2294 01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:48,190 come hopefully someday will become a 2295 01:52:52,890 --> 01:52:50,080 contact movement so thank you so much 2296 01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:52,900 and we we I believe we have a two-hour 2297 01:52:56,670 --> 01:52:54,850 limit I could go on of course for 2298 01:52:59,490 --> 01:52:56,680 several more hours but you know what 2299 01:53:01,650 --> 01:52:59,500 when well obviously you will see when 2300 01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:01,660 they your book well the book that they 2301 01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:03,970 you and mr. Dennard are contributing to 2302 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:05,800 when that comes out that might be a good 2303 01:53:08,330 --> 01:53:07,930 time to have you back oh sure that'd be 2304 01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:08,340 great 2305 01:53:14,850 --> 01:53:10,990 if you have any other questions I'd be 2306 01:53:17,250 --> 01:53:14,860 happy to answer them and I do thank you 2307 01:53:19,410 --> 01:53:17,260 for this opportunity to to reach out to 2308 01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,420 your listening audience absolutely it 2309 01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:21,520 was nice to get a few things cleared up 2310 01:53:25,550 --> 01:53:23,890 that there have been a lot of discussion 2311 01:53:27,870 --> 01:53:25,560 about over the years especially that 2312 01:53:29,970 --> 01:53:27,880 Greer Woolsey meeting I thought that was 2313 01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:29,980 a pretty interesting perspective that 2314 01:53:35,660 --> 01:53:33,010 definitely cleared a few things up well 2315 01:53:42,660 --> 01:53:41,070 and say I think we lost James somewhere 2316 01:53:45,420 --> 01:53:42,670 along the way unfortunately I didn't see 2317 01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:45,430 him drop out so well dr. Burke says 2318 01:53:51,450 --> 01:53:48,250 thank you so very much you have a great 2319 01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:51,460 day and keep listening and keep on 2320 01:53:55,590 --> 01:53:53,080 writing because I know you've got a big 2321 01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:55,600 following particularly over on Facebook 2322 01:54:01,700 --> 01:53:58,960 people love you work over there so keep 2323 01:54:04,830 --> 01:54:01,710 that going and we'll be in touch 2324 01:54:09,609 --> 01:54:04,840 that's right take care good bye bye-bye 2325 01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:12,419 that's our show for this week we've got 2326 01:54:20,859 --> 01:54:15,290 dr. Irina Scott coming up next week 2327 01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:20,869 author of UFOs 70 on a sec you've got 2328 01:54:25,660 --> 01:54:23,330 that I've got my copy right here 70 2329 01:54:27,939 --> 01:54:25,670 years of lies misinformation and 2330 01:54:37,470 --> 01:54:27,949 government cover-up so tune in for that